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Published on November 5, 2008 By Tova7 In Misc

I am scared for my family, for my nation.  People are celebrating and calling this a "historic election."  Why is it when they say it, I see it as the election christened by historians as the 'beginning of the end?'  That the celebrating screaming masses will later be looked at with derision much like the band which continued to play as the Titanic sank?

My husband is military so I should be happy Obama is president right?  He and his congress will raise the white flag and let our troops come home.  Sure, some of them will be pushed out of the service and into unemployment during a bad economy, but hey, who cares, right?  They were never really important anyway.  After all, Obama and his congress voted to cut off funding right in the middle of the war.  Imagine reaching for a magazine to reload during a fire fight and instead finding a politician there shrugging his shoulders....'sorry man, I got lazy people at home to support.' 

Yeah, Obama is a knife in a gun fight kind of guy.

On the surface it looks like his cowardice will benefit my family...my husband won't have to deploy again and fight over there.  He will be home.

Except everyone I know, who is in the know, is worried.  Worried they won't be the only one in their family who is fighting anymore...worried when it comes home again, (and it will), it may be nuclear, or so bad, their wives and children will see up close and personal what they fought to keep away.

Frankly, I don't remember feeling this apprehensive about our country's future since I was old enough to learn about nukes and the fact Russia pointed some right at us.  I lived with the underlying knowledge that at any time it could all end.  We all did.  It was a thread of tension, pulled taught, under the pursuit of happiness I chased as a child and young adult.

Then the wall came down and we were able to breathe a sigh of relief.....and we raised a generation without the threat of it over their heads.  We turned our full attention to making life good for our kids so they never lived with that underlying thread of tension in their lives.  Our culture taught them to be colorblind, gender-blind, somehow stressing the act of blindness is more important than the content of one's character.

They grew up.  They voted.  They voted for the type of government which honors cowardice, rewards slackers, penalizes success, and frankly stretches a rope of tension where that small Russian thread used to be.

Do you know what I see at the university level every day?  A generation that is so self-centered, so self-obsessed, they believe the world owes them an easy ride...an "equal" ride.  A position here-to-for reserved for adults reaching middle age and beyond, who realize their bad choices made them poor, sick, whatever, and want to be bailed out of the consequences of those decisions by the government.

They had their shot, they blew it, and they want the rest of the country to pay for it.

We have a whole generation of like minded young adults just entering into our realm of decision making.  Instead of graduating university with the desire to work hard and change the world, they are joining with the aforementioned free rider middle aged adults and looking for ways to snatch things they didn't earn.  No risk, no risk of failing.

These young adults look at their parents and believe life should start out with as much as it took their parents an entire life to become, to acquire, to learn.  They take out student loans worth thousands of dollars without so much as a shrug.  They expect their parents to pay for college by working two jobs if necessary, but they could never work and go to school, it might be too hard.  They might fail.  They deserve better.

Combine this generation with the older slackers and the middle is squashed, completely obliterated.  In wanting such an easy life, they may indeed achieve it, but never anything above it.  They will in fact be living and sucking up the resources it took this country generations to acquire.  Standing on the accomplishments of the generations before them just long enough to break those shoulders and stomp the achievements into dust.  And once the dust settles, America will be gone.  Then they will turn, arms open wide, to other countries, countries they believe superior and hope for rescue.  After all, they deserve it right?  And then, maybe, once we are slaves to countries who have envied us for generations, we will finally see ...the American Dream once governed, is the American Nightmare.

 

 


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on Nov 07, 2008

So where's the change he promised? Not one decision he's made thus far has anything to do with change.

Let me get this straight, he has to have conservative cabinet members in order to usher in some change?  That isn't the way it works.  Wait until he actually is in office before jumping to conclusions about change in how things work.  Think of it this way, if you were ever a trainee of some sort or if you were hired because you could bring in a positive change from the previous position holder, would you be expected to shake things up before laying the groundwork or actually getting the official go-ahead?

on Nov 07, 2008

Our local Business Journal did an article on this over the summer and it was picked up by the paper (around the one year mark) and reported either no measurable effect or an increase in profits for most area businesses (though they did say they can't attribute the increase in profits to the smoking ban).

I would find that article highly suspect, but of course you actually want to believe it without question. My point wasn't about the smokers, but about the government's affect on the incomes of the businesses affected as your original article and subsequent comments had a lot to do with your concerns over your own potential loss of income. Not so much about smoking bans but more about how easy is it to support something until it comes around to affecting you personally. If you really support the "majority rules" concept then you should wholly support the idea of your husband losing his position in the military as well as all of the other negatives you seem concerned about since the majority has elected Obama to office.

 

And no, it isn't apples and oranges at all if you examine my actual point instead of the example I chose to use.

 

But just to point out how misled you are about the finacial facts:

August 4, 2008

CHARLESTON, W.Va. (WSAZ) -- A group of bar owners spent Monday afternoon protesting Kanawha County's smoking ban.

The group walked from the Fifth Quarter Steakhouse to the Kanawha-Charleston Health Department on Lee Street.

The county's new smoking ban went into effect July 1. The ban prohibits smoking in most public places including bars and gambling parlors.

Since the ban went into effect, bar owners have complained it has devastated their businesses. In fact, some bar owners say their profits are down by nearly 50 percent.

 

The Buckeye Liquor Permit Holders Association wants bars that have less than 10% of their gross receipts in food sales to be able to purchase a smoking permit for their establishment.

"We're trying to keep people in business," said Pat Carroll, the organization's current president.

Carroll says the motivation for the request is the financial livelihood of bars, whose owners in many cases have their life savings invested in the business.

"Business is down already 30% to 50% in the bars," said Carroll. "The beer vendors who service the bars -- they're down 40%. I'm also in the vending business. Our collections are down 25% - 30% and that's just since May 3."

 

Nearly two years after voters passed Ohio's smoking ban, some Toledo area business owners and private club officials are backing a legislative effort to exempt some bars and other establishments. Ohio's draconian smoking ban has financially hurt bars, private clubs, and other businesses, said Pam Parker, co-founder of Opponents of Ohio Bans. A drop in wholesale liquor sales, closures, and other ill effects are proving it to lawmakers, she added.

"If we don't get our businesses back as business owners, we're not going to have anything," Ms. Parker told about 75 people during a meeting last night in Sommerset Hall, 2458 Tremainsville Rd. "This is our last shot," she said.

 

Cincinnati, OH (AHN) - Bar owners in Ohio say a statewide ban on smoking in public places is bringing small businesses to the breaking-point. Owners of small bars, bowling alleys and other establishments say an exemption should be written in to help bring back customers.

A coalition of 300 bar owners will lobby the state government to install exceptions allowing places that receive no more than 10 percent of their revenue from food, such as bars and taverns, to allow smoking.

Patrick Carroll, president of the Buckeye Liquor Permit Holders Association explains, "Too many places are losing too much money. Some are on the verge of closing their doors." The group has collected almost 1,500 signatures pushing for an exemption for bars.

According to the Cincinnati Post, the group must collect 140,000 signatures to force the legislature to consider it. About 400,000 signatures would be needed to put the issue on the ballot if lawmakers refuse.

 

Since Ohio’s smoking ban began being enforced, business is down about 20 percent at Martini & Nuzzi’s bar in Maumee, where owner Cheryl Jiannuzzi now spends time sweeping up cigarette butts from the sidewalk, and customers such as Jeff Husnick of Toledo and Chris Havermale of Perrysburg fume.

 

SHARON, Pa. — Geno Rossi used to see the same faces day after day at the bar he manages, Our Gang Lounge on Sharpsville Avenue — until Ohio banned smoking.

"There are a couple of [periods of the week] that are really dead and then we started getting people in. We figure they're coming from Ohio," Rossi said.

It's all part of a phenomenon that some Pennsylvania barkeeps are seeing since Ohio authorities started to crack down on the smoking ban passed by voters. The ban prohibits smoking in most public places, including bars.

"Yeah, I've heard some people say they've come here because they can't smoke in Ohio," said John Brent, a bartender at Billy's Black and Gold, also on Sharpsville Avenue.

The Ohio smokers tend to come over to the sports bar on weekends, he said.

Cathy Dubrasky, owner of the Golden Bear Tavern in West Middlesex, Pa., has been noticing new faces throughout the week too.

"We get a lot of people from Hubbard. They're just as close to here as some of the bars in Hubbard," she said. The Golden Bear Tavern is about four miles from the state line, she estimates.

The nearby Middlesex Tavern is also seeing an increase, says manager Cindy Sheasley.

"We just had a group of four people come in and say 'Since we can't smoke on Ohio, we'll make this our hangout,'" Sheasley said.

In Lawrence County, Nite Trax Lounge on U.S. Route 224 has seen such an increase that they've had to add more bartenders and waitresses to some shifts, said Debi Spincic, a bartender at Nite Trax for 15 years.

Patrons are coming from Boardman, Poland and Struthers to the bar, which is only about an eighth of a mile from the Ohio line.

"There's a lot of people who come and see the ashtrays and say 'Thank God we can smoke, we thought we were in Ohio,'" Spincic said.

She estimates business has increased 20 percent to 25 percent since the smoking ban went into effect.

Ohio bars suffer

 

The voters have spoken so it must be good, right?

on Nov 07, 2008

I'm sorry I wasn't clear...this won't affect my family's income.  My husband won't be forced out because by law, at his rank, it takes more than cutbacks.  I was speaking for other military families when I said this... 

 

He and his congress will raise the white flag and let our troops come home. Sure, some of them will be pushed out of the service and into unemployment during a bad economy, but hey, who cares, right?

And I see where you were led to believe I was speaking about my family when I said this....

Obama wants to cut the military so either my husband will be forced to retire (which hurts the military and all those left behind), or be gone more.

So you said.....

but about the government's affect on the incomes of the businesses affected as your original article and subsequent comments had a lot to do with your concerns over your own potential loss of income.

What I mean by "forced" is he may not be willing to work under conditions Obama will bring with cutbacks....my husband is fortunate he can retire anytime he chooses, WHEN he chooses may be pushed up by an Obama administration. 

I would find that article highly suspect, but of course you actually want to believe it without question. 

hahaha...kinda like you believe the articles you posted?

And no, it isn't apples and oranges at all if you examine my actual point instead of the example I chose to use.

I used the example because you did.  If your point is the majority voted and its all good (sarcasm)...I say the example compares apples and oranges.

How you can equate the "right" to smoking revenue (with business owners) and shitting on soldiers (some of whom have risked their lives, taken bullets, given limbs and been willing to fight and die at a moment's notice for a decade or more) for the supposed EQUAL "right" to revenue created by tobacco users....is frankly beyond me. 

By your definition all things are equal and EVERY law should be abolished because you can find some group somewhere who doesn't like it and can claim financial woes because of it.

But ok, if you want to believe it.

Added note:  As far as actual smoking bans, and not in relation to this subject, we are both wrong, and both correct speaking from our perspectives.

http://www.wpri.org/WIInterest/Vol15no2/Cot15.2.pdf

 

 

on Nov 07, 2008

Let me get this straight, he has to have conservative cabinet members in order to usher in some change?

No, I don't believe he has to have conservative cabinet members at all.  In fact, why would he?  That wouldn't be true to how he ran his campaign.

However, to effect change he has to get things done in Washington...and some Democrats aren't quite as liberal, and most Republicans aren't going to work with the far left...they'll go into protection mode and filibuster for the next two years.  Then everyone, Dem and Rep alike, is screwed.

So no I don't expect conservative cabinet members....but if change FOR THE BETTER is something he wants (as opposed to any old kind of change) then he should appoint people who are capable of at least being civil to less liberal politicians.

I know it wasn't me personally -- but after a while you get sort of frustrated on JU reading about how generally stupid and ignorant you are -- or at least I do. Thanks for taking my comment the way it was intended. It was more a "I get the feeling" than anything else. This also wasn't my first election -- but for a while, i've supported all the losing candidates!

hahaha...well that sucks. 

Ya know I get over it, well almost completely over it, start looking up thinking it'll all work out, and then I have to go back to the college and well, its just harder to be "over" it there.  But our fall break is coming up and I plan to get a grip.

 

 

 

 

on Nov 07, 2008

hahaha...kinda like you believe the articles you posted?

Apples and oranges. The article you mentioned was a supposed "survey" of the effects on businesses, while the articles I posted were actual news stories about related events.  Somehow I don't see why business owners would bother spending the time and money to fight this if they weren't losing money. If they were actually making the same or more money they wouldn't bother. You seem to be lacking in logic here. You don't want to see the truth here because you happen to like the way the governement is shitting on thse people.

 

How you can equate the "right" to smoking revenue (with business owners) and shitting on soldiers (some of whom have risked their lives, taken bullets, given limbs and been willing to fight and die at a moment's notice for a decade or more) for the supposed EQUAL "right" to revenue created by tobacco users....is frankly beyond me.

In the context of your article about the doom and gloom of what the government is now going to do because Obama was elected, it's very much the same. It's all about how the government can and does affect the lives and incomes of the people, which is in fact what your article was about. I like the way you dehumanize people by using the term "tobacco users". They aren't "tobacco users" they are citizens of this nation, and many of them (us) have also served in the military and are not some seperate sub-group of humanity. You think it's ok for the government to shit on business owners (many of whom also served in the military) but not military members? And that would be because...?

 

But that's ok, I'm just stirring the pot for my own amusement anyway 

on Nov 08, 2008

they'll go into protection mode and filibuster for the next two years.

And now you might sense that another question to be brought up from this is how can people then blame the democratic Congress for not getting much accomplished or even having a hard time getting the ball rolling?  It's a problem within the Senate structure itself.  We will hopefully be able to resolve crucial American concerns without the constant bickering, but when people don't like to work together, as you have pointed out (and are also entirely correct about), the spiral of ineptitude continues.  The minor or major partisan crap can hold off as there are more important things that everyone in government should spend more time concerning themselves with.  The nice thing though, if he keeps to his promises, he will make sure those people he appointed maintain efforts to tread the waters in the other party and get things shaking.  We'll see...

on Nov 08, 2008

I like the way you dehumanize people by using the term "tobacco users". They aren't "tobacco users" they are citizens of this nation, and many of them (us) have also served in the military and are not some seperate sub-group of humanity.

Wow.  

I didn't intend to imply a tobacco user is any less a human citizen of the country than non tobacco users.  However, smokers (a writing method.. interchanging equivalent words keeps reading from being predictable, thus 'tobacco users' in one spot, 'smokers' in another) certainly don't make up even half the population of this nation...so it certainly qualifies as an "interest" group.

But that's ok, I'm just stirring the pot for my own amusement anyway

Enjoy the aroma. 

It's all about how the government can and does affect the lives and incomes of the people, which is in fact what your article was about.

If you say so Mason.  I will have to work on my communication skills, in particular my writing.  I coulda swore I was perplexed:

a.) over WHY people voted for Obama

b.) who these people are in my life and my observations about our interactions

c.) the effects of Obama on military families specifically

d.) how being weak militarily brings terrorism back to our shores

e.) the uncertainty of our future as a nation when we don't know anything about this man

But um, you read all that and thought "smoking ban."

Okiiiie Dokie.

You seem to be lacking in logic here. You don't want to see the truth here because you happen to like the way the governement is shitting on thse people.

Hmmm, I was thinking the same thing about you.  Those damn public health laws are so pesky.  I mean why can't we sell rancid meat at the grocery store?  You know how much roadkill is around here?  Those damn laws keep some people from making a FORTUNE.

The article you mentioned was a supposed "survey" of the effects on businesses

Yes it was a "supposed" survey conducted by actual researchers as compared to your assurances after "talking to people" the smoking ban is bad bad bad.

The study's research method was sound (in fact if you have a better one please do share).  It was an unbiased analysis of the facts gathered from several states looking specifically at restaurants and bars.

If anecdotal stories are your measure of proof then you're right, it certainly wouldn't meet those requirements.

But I understand why you don't want to agree with a statistical analysis based of factual information gathered by researchers.  What is proof and logic in the face of tobacco addiction? 

 

on Nov 08, 2008

if he keeps to his promises, he will make sure those people he appointed maintain efforts to tread the waters in the other party and get things shaking. We'll see...

Well his choice for Chief of Staff isn't too promising.  Emanuel's productive interaction with Republicans can be summarized in this statement.."go f--- yourselves."  And classic American ideals like....“As an amateur student of constitutional history and as a member of Congress, I have come to the conclusion that the Senate was a historic mistake,”

Is that the kind of COS an inexperienced president needs to get things done?  Yes, lets DO get rid of the senate....

I don't think so, but maybe Rahm will shake off the rabid dog mentality for a more civilized one.  One that won't involve rabies shots for Dems and Republicans alike who he considers right of far left.  (Not holding my breath.)

We will hopefully be able to resolve crucial American concerns without the constant bickering, but when people don't like to work together, as you have pointed out (and are also entirely correct about), the spiral of ineptitude continues. The minor or major partisan crap can hold off as there are more important things that everyone in government should spend more time concerning themselves with.

Preachin to the choir here K.  I agree.

 

on Nov 08, 2008

The exerpts I posted were not from talking to people but from news stories in various newspapers around your area. Multiple news stories from multiple newspapers, all saying the same thing, and quite the opposite of the "survey". Surveys can be slanted in any manner desired, and there are a great many ways of doing this. They often include places that weren't affected at all, such as places that already didn't allow it, as well as ignoring places most hard hit. Like the man said "Lies, damn lies, and statistics".

As for the smoking bans thing, that was an example of a point, not the point itself (can you say "analogy"?). What the government does, by vote of the people, does affect the lives, incomes, and security of the people. A great many people in this country will view military reduction as a good thing. It all depends on your personal perspective. Obviously the majority of the nation feels that this is a good thing or they wouldn't have voted for the guy. If it hurts some segment of the population that's ok, they're in the minority, by your definition a special interest group, so no big deal.

 

Ok, I'm done stirring the pot.

 

To be honest I have some of the same concerns about this but am willing to wait and see what happens. I think once in office the realities will sink in and he won't be able to do many of the things he thought he could for reasons of nation security, economics, and foreign policy. Being a candidate and making stump speeches is a far cry from actually having to do the job and being privy to a great deal more information.

 

It's far too early to start fearing the worse. We just have to give the man a chance to prove himself (or not) and see what happens. It's not like we can do anything about it at this point anyway. For all we know he may turn out the be the greatest President of our time (or not). Time will tell.

on Nov 08, 2008

Surveys can be slanted in any manner desired [/quote]

haha.  As a journalist I also know you can't believe half of what you read in the paper....I'd believe a researched study/survey over a newspaper article any day...because the newspaper is just putting into print someone's anecdotal tale...none of those papers actually did the research to see if what these people are claiming is true (as compared to other reasons for business failure/performance).

We have a business journal here, the credibility of it is much better among business people than the local rags.

But whatever. 

[quote] they're in the minority, by your definition a special interest group, so no big deal.

I don't consider the military a special interest group because their status affects every American.  This may serve as American's perfect reminder.  Or not.

It is only one of many areas of concern in my mind.

 

To be honest I have some of the same concerns about this but am willing to wait and see what happens. I think once in office the realities will sink in and he won't be able to do many of the things he thought he could for reasons of nation security, economics, and foreign policy. Being a candidate and making stump speeches is a far cry from actually having to do the job and being privy to a great deal more information.



It's far too early to start fearing the worse. We just have to give the man a chance to prove himself (or not) and see what happens. It's not like we can do anything about it at this point anyway. For all we know he may turn out the be the greatest President of our time (or not). Time will tell.

Yeah I agree....but all the unanswered questions are still there.  Who knows.  Maybe they will never be answered to my satisfaction...doesn't mean I won't pose them tho.

Ok, I'm done stirring the pot.

You sure?   

 

on Nov 08, 2008

Wow, no idea what happened up there.

on Nov 10, 2008

And now you might sense that another question to be brought up from this is how can people then blame the democratic Congress for not getting much accomplished or even having a hard time getting the ball rolling?

Was it brought up from 02 to 06?  Hardly.  Short memories.

on Nov 29, 2008

People, people, he's a politician. Do these guys EVER do anything they really promise to do during a campaign? I sense a lot of bark and little bite. O won't be a savior or a devil. He'll prove himself to be just another politician.

And as for the "world owes me a living" mentality, fewer young people have that than you think. Keep in mind Boomer entry level jobs have been shipped off or eleminated in this rush to globalize. Thus America has screwed it's own young people over, and by extention, it's own upcoming tax base. There simply aren't as many living wage jobs anymore, and Boomers who've fallen on hard times are more than happy to work these jobs that young people need. Never before have we have 4 generations working at the same time. Go ask the Gen Xers and they can tell you all about Boomers squeezing them out of the market.

on Nov 29, 2008

 He'll prove himself to be just another politician.

That's the point. He simply doesn't warrant the celebrations.

 

on Nov 29, 2008

Leauki, I think more people realize this than will admit it. I think the main motivation in voting for Obama was to stick it to the "good old boys" who have failed to do anything to fix the issues in this country. I think it was more about desperation than hope.

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