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Published on February 23, 2007 By Tova7 In Home & Family

My 11 year old son, Hunter, punched another boy, J, in the face at school a couple weeks ago.

 

Our family is familiar with J.  He attended a sleep over in our home earlier this winter.  His mom showed up to drop him off an hour early, in shorts (it was 20 degrees outside), with no tooth brush, pajamas, coat, or anything.

 

It can be difficult keeping track of Hunter's numerous friends.  I remember J  because the entire time he was in our home my son was constantly saying, “don’t do that!”

 

For example, this kid walked through my house putting his hands on everything including art work on the wall.  My son told him several times not to touch the crystal in the china cabinet, get out of the cabinets, leave the sewing machine alone, etc.  Just annoying little things like that.

 

After J left, (his mom was two hours late picking him up), my son fell on the couch and said, “WHEW!”

 

While Hunter remained friends with J at school, he never invited him back over.

 

So a couple weeks ago Hunt came home from school and said, “I got into a fight today at school mom.”

I said, “Huh?  What happened?”

 

He said, “Remember J?”

 

I nodded.

 

“Well he sits beside me at lunch.  (They eat at metal picnic type tables.) We have assigned spots.  He takes stuff off my tray.”

 

“You mean food?”  I asked.

 

Hunter nodded.  “Yeah.  And every time I tell him to give it back.  But he doesn’t.  So I have to get the attention of one of the teachers and have them make him give it back.”

 

“How many times has this happened?”  I asked.

 

“Three,” Hunter said.  “And everyday there are different teachers in the lunch room.”

 

“What do they say to him?”  I asked.

 

Hunter shrugged.  “They just tell him, ‘give hunter back his food.’  Then they go about their business.”

 

Ok.

 

He continues, “So today he took my candy bar.  I told him to give it back.  He wouldn’t.  So I grabbed it from him.  He got mad and pushed me, but I just kept eating and ignored the push.  But then he got really mad because I ignored his push and shoved me really hard.  I fell off the end of the bench onto the floor taking some of my food with me.”

 

“Why didn’t you just ask a teacher to make him give it back?”  I asked.

 

“Because I am tired of it mom.  They don’t ever do anything to him, and he knows better!  So I just took it back.”

 

“Then what?”  I asked.

 

“So I got up off the floor, sat down, and punched his face.”

 

“Did he hit you back?”  I asked.

 

Hunter shook his head.  “No.  He just turned really red and was quiet the rest of lunch period.”

 

“So how did you get in trouble?”  I asked.

 

He said, “One of the kids at the table saw it happen and told on us after lunch.  I know I’m in trouble mom.  But I was done.  I’m not taking it anymore.  How many times do I have to let him take something from me?  I’m ready for punishment.”

 

We talked about alternate responses briefly.  I sent him to his room and called the school (after listening to a message his principal left on my machine).

 

I verified the story with the principal.

 

So here is how the conversation with the principal went.

 

“Mrs. Tova, Hunter punched another child in the eye today,” Mr. D said.

 

“Can you tell me what happened?”  I asked (because I wanted to make sure I was getting the whole story.)

 

“That’s what Hunter told me,” I said.

 

“Well, the consequences of hitting another student is suspension.”  Mr D said.

 

Before I could say anything…

 

“But since Hunter has no record of violence, or even of temper according to his teachers, I am going to let him serve one day of in- school suspension in my office.”

 

“Ok,” I said.  “I’ve talked with Hunter and explained that he can’t be fighting at school.  I also told him I’d rather he get in trouble for getting up out of his seat without permission to move from a volatile situation, than getting into trouble fighting.  But frankly, the kid deserved it.”

 

Long pause.

 

“I’m, um, sorry you feel that way.”  Mr D said.  “If Hunter was having problems with this child he should have come to me.”

I laughed.  “He went to three separate teachers and got no satisfaction.  I remember fifth grade well Mr D and I don’t think going to the principal about a problem was EVER an option in my mind.”

 

Another long pause.

 

“So is the other child being disciplined?”  I asked.

 

“No.”

 

“WHAT?  He at the very least provoked Hunter.  He is not being disciplined?”  I said.

 

“No,” Mr D said.  “Shoving someone to the ground is not hitting.  We have rules against hitting.  Kids shove each other all the time.”

 

I said, “What about taking things that don’t belong to you?  What about making a habit of doing it?  Aren’t there rules against that?”

 

“Hunter should have come to me,” Mr D said.

 

Got off the phone and called my son back into the kitchen.

 

I told Hunter the in school suspension was punishment enough.  He wasn’t in any trouble at home.  But I emphasized he needed to walk away from an explosive situation before it escalated. 

 

Since his dad is gone, I was wondering if I handled it ok.  Frankly, I was in a lot of fights all through out school and for a lot less provocation.  But since Columbine, schools are totally freaked out about any kind of fighting.  They have classes and teach kids how to tell on the other children.

 

So when I finally was able to talk with my husband he said, “Good job!  I am so proud of him.”

 

I told my husband the principal didn’t agree.

 

My husband assured me “boys are gonna fight” and was glad to know Hunter was able to stand up for himself.

 

This is the kind of thing that reminds me how much boys need their dads.  I didn’t have a “normal” childhood, so I can’t use that as a template for my kids.  And I was never a boy.  It seems there are lots of wrong ways to handle it, and only a few good ones, and being a man (who was once a boy) gives most men the wisdom.

 

Since this incident J still interacts with Hunter in games and class, but has stopped taking his food and trying to annoy him.

 

It makes me wonder how much is heading my way that only a dad can really handle well.

 

And if I'm man enough for the job.


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on Feb 23, 2007
I had this big long post and somehow I clicked a button and went to another page and lost the post.

First, I think you did great.

Second, I think that what Lifehappens said about boys and fighting is true, but opens a whole can of worms about who gets to decide how much fighting goes too far.

Third, I think Hunter sounds like a cool kid.

Fourth, I think that the school may be trying to do it's best in applying fair discipline they have failed in a number of ways:

1) Shoving may not be an automatic suspension in (depending on the degree) but it warrants at least a talking to for J. Shoving can be dangerous and escalate to more violence so I think the school's attitude about shoving is off.
2) if students are not allowed to remove themselves from situations that they feel are dangerous (sitting by a bully) or one that the student feels that they need to leave because a problem will get worse, the school has just set up the student to fail.
3) not following up on the taking of other's property is wrong. Even if it is only "joking". I'm guessing that J has zero concept of figuring out when he is not funny.

I know that monitering a lunch room is really hard to do effectively, but students are asked to use judgement and avoid fighting. To take away one of the best routes is unfair. I totally see why Hunter did what he did.

I would ask that this incident not be part of Hunter's record since he did all that he could to avoid confrontation given the limitations put on him.
on Feb 24, 2007
Aw Zoo. I knew there was a reason I like you so much! hahaha.


Heh, heh...shucks.

I almost fainted when they wanted to do something "special" for Hunter because they were proud of him.


That's because he handled it "old school." Which is what I normally did/would do in those situations. Never have I punched anyone...but a good squeeze on some pressure points (nape of the neck or the hollow right above your collar bone) or a good arm twistin' will make people see your point of view in about 3 seconds.

~Zoo
on Feb 24, 2007
Guess what? Girls fight too. Often nastier than boys do.


I can damn sure vouch for that! BIG TIME!

(and it sounds like you're doing a great job, Tova. I'd be proud of that boy myself!  )
on Feb 24, 2007

I think that the school may be trying to do it's best in applying fair discipline they have failed in a number of ways:

Yeah, I understand they are trying, and this school is over crowded, so its not an easy gig.  It's really too bad though that they have a cookie cutter way of dealing with things.  You hit = suspension.  No reason, no extenuating circumstances.  Makes me wonder if a kid walked in with a bow and arrow to do some real harm and another kid punched him...well hitting is against the rules and there aren't any about bows and arrows!

I had this big long post and somehow I clicked a button and went to another page and lost the post.

Dochya hate that?  I appreciate your thoughtful response.  Thank you.

 

on Feb 24, 2007

I'd be proud of that boy myself!

That's good to know, seeing how you've raised one that's already in college.  I won't sweat it now...I was good with my decision after I talked to my husband, but I was wondering how other people saw it.

Guess what? Girls fight too. Often nastier than boys do.

hahaha. Yeah I know that because I was one!  But things are so diff now.  When I was in fifth grade we made "fighting dates" for recess.  Girl vs boy of course....and all was legal until first blood.  It was as much from boredom as anything else....

 

on Feb 24, 2007
You did good Tonya and so did Hunter.

It's true, he won't be messed with now. It's worth the one day suspension for that alone.
on Feb 24, 2007
It's really too bad though that they have a cookie cutter way of dealing with things. You hit = suspension. No reason, no extenuating circumstances.


Hmmm...you got me to thinkin' there with that quote, Tova. Hmmm...

on Feb 24, 2007
When I was in school if you got into a fight both parties involved got a few licks with the paddle regardless of the circumstances. I'm sure I wore out more than my share of paddles.

Ah, the good old days.
on Feb 24, 2007

wore out more than my share of paddles

I was paddled a few times.  I wonder if they paddled both parties so then it automatically put the combatants in the same camp.  Them against "the man."

Hmmm...you got me to thinkin' there with that quote, Tova. Hmmm...

Hope that's a good thing! heh.

It's worth the one day suspension for that alone.

Yeah I think so too.  (If it works!)

 

on Feb 24, 2007
I don't know much about this since my oldest is only 9, however the annoying behavior you described J as doing would be right up Xavier's alley.

He's not an aggressive child, but he's very skilled at pestering (he is very intuitive when it comes to others' emotions, but he sometimes uses his powers for evil instead of for good, finding just the right thing to say or do to really get under someone's skin...often managing to do it in a way that he can deny doing anything bad on purpose).

If he were doing that to another child and they popped him one, I would NOT be angry at the child he was bugging. Part of breaking Xavier of these behaviors is letting him experience the negative consequences of his behaviors. If you annoy people they won't want to play with you. If you keep it up, they may pop you a good one.

This is not to say that I want my child to get hurt. I am NOT ok with him being bullied. However, if HE is being the bully, I don't think I should shelter him from the consequences.

I think it's good that you talked with Hunter about alternative ways to deal with the problem, and despite what the daddies say, I think it's important for the kids to believe that we think hitting is never the answer. Sometimes it is, though. I just don't think the kids should think we feel that way.

I agree with other posters who've said that it will probably not only solve the problem, but also help your child with other kids. My brother was the get-along, good-behavior type (LOL, became a missionary) and once another kid (this was in HS) was messing with him in the weight room. My brother picked him up and slammed him against the wall. No one messed with him after that.
on Feb 24, 2007

I just don't think the kids should think we feel that way.

We're on the same page here.  I acted stern and serious and he does believe it is not acceptable.....but I still think the kid deserved it.  Heh.

The problem with Hunter is he is much more mature than boys his age.  It causes problems because I won't let him hang with older boys...there is a WHOLE world of difference between 11 and 13.  So he is kinda stuck...and often complains that his friends are immature.

um, he also complains that I am immature too.

on Feb 25, 2007
I'm chiming in late but just gotta say I agree with what both Hunter and you have done. The principal, on the other hand, well...

The cookie cutter analogy is a good one. When are they going to wake up?
on Feb 25, 2007
Double post, whoops
on Feb 25, 2007

I agree with what both Hunter and you have done

Thanks.  It really helps hearing that from a man. 

I'm chiming in l

That's ok...always good to see ya mate.

 

on Feb 25, 2007
I remember these days Tova....

I remember my youngest, David (the one you met) punched a GIRL in the first grade. She was no ordinary girl tho. She was the biggest child in the class, a very big tomboy (she later played baseball with the boys all the way up until HS). Anyhow, she liked my boy, but for some reason she punched him in the face. Well, he punched her back. At the time I couldn't believe he did that.

I can't remember what happened in school. I think they both got in trouble. But what really got me was her step-mother who called me and yelled my ear off. She then hung up on me, but not before many expletives were shot my way. She wanted to know what kind of boys I was raising that would hit a girl. Ya, as if I sat them all down and instructed them to punch girls.....geeesh. The step mother was actually exhibiting very strong anger problems.....

To this day, he's never punched another kid, male or female. Never had to. Today he's probably my most gentle and compassionate boy of the three. But back then, I guess it was a strong action that called for a strong reaction. She never hit him again.

Sounds like your son had to do what he had to do. Maybe if the teachers stepped in and sat down with the two in the very beginning this would not have happened.

Maybe the teachers deserved detention for not doing their job. Sounds like they dropped the ball here.



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