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Published on February 23, 2007 By Tova7 In Home & Family

My 11 year old son, Hunter, punched another boy, J, in the face at school a couple weeks ago.

 

Our family is familiar with J.  He attended a sleep over in our home earlier this winter.  His mom showed up to drop him off an hour early, in shorts (it was 20 degrees outside), with no tooth brush, pajamas, coat, or anything.

 

It can be difficult keeping track of Hunter's numerous friends.  I remember J  because the entire time he was in our home my son was constantly saying, “don’t do that!”

 

For example, this kid walked through my house putting his hands on everything including art work on the wall.  My son told him several times not to touch the crystal in the china cabinet, get out of the cabinets, leave the sewing machine alone, etc.  Just annoying little things like that.

 

After J left, (his mom was two hours late picking him up), my son fell on the couch and said, “WHEW!”

 

While Hunter remained friends with J at school, he never invited him back over.

 

So a couple weeks ago Hunt came home from school and said, “I got into a fight today at school mom.”

I said, “Huh?  What happened?”

 

He said, “Remember J?”

 

I nodded.

 

“Well he sits beside me at lunch.  (They eat at metal picnic type tables.) We have assigned spots.  He takes stuff off my tray.”

 

“You mean food?”  I asked.

 

Hunter nodded.  “Yeah.  And every time I tell him to give it back.  But he doesn’t.  So I have to get the attention of one of the teachers and have them make him give it back.”

 

“How many times has this happened?”  I asked.

 

“Three,” Hunter said.  “And everyday there are different teachers in the lunch room.”

 

“What do they say to him?”  I asked.

 

Hunter shrugged.  “They just tell him, ‘give hunter back his food.’  Then they go about their business.”

 

Ok.

 

He continues, “So today he took my candy bar.  I told him to give it back.  He wouldn’t.  So I grabbed it from him.  He got mad and pushed me, but I just kept eating and ignored the push.  But then he got really mad because I ignored his push and shoved me really hard.  I fell off the end of the bench onto the floor taking some of my food with me.”

 

“Why didn’t you just ask a teacher to make him give it back?”  I asked.

 

“Because I am tired of it mom.  They don’t ever do anything to him, and he knows better!  So I just took it back.”

 

“Then what?”  I asked.

 

“So I got up off the floor, sat down, and punched his face.”

 

“Did he hit you back?”  I asked.

 

Hunter shook his head.  “No.  He just turned really red and was quiet the rest of lunch period.”

 

“So how did you get in trouble?”  I asked.

 

He said, “One of the kids at the table saw it happen and told on us after lunch.  I know I’m in trouble mom.  But I was done.  I’m not taking it anymore.  How many times do I have to let him take something from me?  I’m ready for punishment.”

 

We talked about alternate responses briefly.  I sent him to his room and called the school (after listening to a message his principal left on my machine).

 

I verified the story with the principal.

 

So here is how the conversation with the principal went.

 

“Mrs. Tova, Hunter punched another child in the eye today,” Mr. D said.

 

“Can you tell me what happened?”  I asked (because I wanted to make sure I was getting the whole story.)

 

“That’s what Hunter told me,” I said.

 

“Well, the consequences of hitting another student is suspension.”  Mr D said.

 

Before I could say anything…

 

“But since Hunter has no record of violence, or even of temper according to his teachers, I am going to let him serve one day of in- school suspension in my office.”

 

“Ok,” I said.  “I’ve talked with Hunter and explained that he can’t be fighting at school.  I also told him I’d rather he get in trouble for getting up out of his seat without permission to move from a volatile situation, than getting into trouble fighting.  But frankly, the kid deserved it.”

 

Long pause.

 

“I’m, um, sorry you feel that way.”  Mr D said.  “If Hunter was having problems with this child he should have come to me.”

I laughed.  “He went to three separate teachers and got no satisfaction.  I remember fifth grade well Mr D and I don’t think going to the principal about a problem was EVER an option in my mind.”

 

Another long pause.

 

“So is the other child being disciplined?”  I asked.

 

“No.”

 

“WHAT?  He at the very least provoked Hunter.  He is not being disciplined?”  I said.

 

“No,” Mr D said.  “Shoving someone to the ground is not hitting.  We have rules against hitting.  Kids shove each other all the time.”

 

I said, “What about taking things that don’t belong to you?  What about making a habit of doing it?  Aren’t there rules against that?”

 

“Hunter should have come to me,” Mr D said.

 

Got off the phone and called my son back into the kitchen.

 

I told Hunter the in school suspension was punishment enough.  He wasn’t in any trouble at home.  But I emphasized he needed to walk away from an explosive situation before it escalated. 

 

Since his dad is gone, I was wondering if I handled it ok.  Frankly, I was in a lot of fights all through out school and for a lot less provocation.  But since Columbine, schools are totally freaked out about any kind of fighting.  They have classes and teach kids how to tell on the other children.

 

So when I finally was able to talk with my husband he said, “Good job!  I am so proud of him.”

 

I told my husband the principal didn’t agree.

 

My husband assured me “boys are gonna fight” and was glad to know Hunter was able to stand up for himself.

 

This is the kind of thing that reminds me how much boys need their dads.  I didn’t have a “normal” childhood, so I can’t use that as a template for my kids.  And I was never a boy.  It seems there are lots of wrong ways to handle it, and only a few good ones, and being a man (who was once a boy) gives most men the wisdom.

 

Since this incident J still interacts with Hunter in games and class, but has stopped taking his food and trying to annoy him.

 

It makes me wonder how much is heading my way that only a dad can really handle well.

 

And if I'm man enough for the job.


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on Feb 23, 2007
I'm running out the door but had to respond before goiing! [plus JU keeps kicking me!]

Anyway, you are man enough for the job, you did ok in my book. You handled it the way I would have and you did nothing wrong. My son has been in situation like that before and I've handled it in a similar fashion. He'll take, and take and take the brunt of someone else's crap, for so long. I've intervened on his behalf before when the teachers do nothing! That's the sad part.

on Feb 23, 2007
1. You did a fantastic job. I'm not sure I would have had the sense to tell my child different ways of handling the situation, so cudos to you!

2. I think you had enough balls and brians (excuse the expression) to handle the situation and you are "man" enough.

3. WTF? You can't hit people but you can shove them and steal from them? Is it impossible for the three teachers to confirm this little boy's klepto habits to the principal and do something? My parents teach in a public school, so I realize that the individual teachers would not have seen the pattern. However, now that you have brought the matter to the attention of the principal, he should really do something.

Basically, sounds like you did a great job. The principal on the other hand...
on Feb 23, 2007
The principal on the other hand...


was a complete and utter ass.

I think you handled things very well . . . better than most would.

And good for your son for sticking up for himself. What a joke of a principal.
on Feb 23, 2007

And good for your son for sticking up for himself.

This is one of those situations LW talked about in her quitting article.  I was SURE when I talked to the principal he would say fighting is bad, pushing is bad, and both boys would get......whatever.  But nope.  I felt like I have many times in the past when in a room full of liberals while they're discussing abortion, and personal responsibility....like I'm an alien.

Basically, sounds like you did a great job. The principal on the other hand...

Thanks.  The kid wasn't keeping Hunter's items, just taking them and being obnoxious.  I guess the teachers are too harassed at lunch to really do anything.  I don't know.

I thought since Hunter spent a day in the principals office, the principal would get to know him, and see Hunter is very mature and level headed for his age....but the principal never spoke to him.

He'll take, and take and take the brunt of someone else's crap, for so long.

Yeah Hunter is like that.  He usually just shrugs and walks away, so I know this was really eating at him.

Thanks FS.  Nice to know I'm not the only parent who goes through this.

Plus, since the kid leaves him alone now my son thinks it was all worth it.

 

on Feb 23, 2007
You did a great job, and handled the situation in the best Mom-like fashion possible.

Looks like you're doing a great job overall, too. He tried to get adults involved, which is a step some kids avoid. Three times, and then he hit him after being provoked again. I'm glad the other kid is smart enough to figure out that it's not worth getting punched in the face, or it might still be going on.
on Feb 23, 2007
I...can't...find...the words...to throughly express...my irritation regarding....this whole situation. Has the entire school system gone competely and utterly stupid? Hitting is not allowed but no penalty for shoving?...What if somebody gets shoved down the stairs...I think that'd do a bit more damage than punching someone in the face for being a total dick. Little bastard had it coming in my opinion...in fact, the principal could use a good punch in the face for being a little bitch. *sigh*....Hell, I think your kid should get a little trophy or something...I mean he did wait three times until he was shoved off the bench, that's a lot of patience for a kid.

They have classes and teach kids how to tell on the other children.


And I find that totally fucking creepy...it sounds like Big Brother and accusing people of thoughtcrimes. There are instances in which you should tell someone about certain things...but to have a class outline it, and you know they're going overboard with it and making everyone scared and paranoid....I shudder to think of the future world we'll be living in...oh well, I'll be working in a zoo...the animals don't work for the government....at least I hope they don't.

~Zoo

on Feb 23, 2007

Little bastard had it coming in my opinion...in fact, the principal could use a good punch in the face for being a little bitch. *sigh*....Hell, I think your kid should get a little trophy or something..

Aw Zoo.  I knew there was a reason I like you so much! hahaha.

What is kinda weird for me...is I come from a highly critical family.  When I told a few people in my family about it, I expected lectures on how I was failing as a parent.  I almost fainted when they wanted to do something "special" for Hunter because they were proud of him.  It seems like now that he has punched someone in the face, they have breathed a sigh of relief.  I'm not sure I understand it exactly, but I didn't let them do anything special for him.  But I caught my aunt hugging him and showing him how to make a "good fist."  Of course she doesn't have to raise him, or deal with the schools, or well anything, heh.

He's smart.  I told him when someone gets him mad enough to hit them, they've won in a way.  Once he loses control....but I'm not sure he bought it.  There are just times in life when you have to stand.

You did a great job, and handled the situation in the best Mom-like fashion possible.

Thank you so much for saying that.  Sometimes this mothering gig, well, it keeps me awake at night.  I don't want to raise an ax murderer!

 

on Feb 23, 2007
How much is a kid supposed to take? Seriously? I think Hunter's punishment at school is more than enough. You've addressed the situation with him at home and such, and he knows it's not okay to hit, but if adults aren't going to take him seriously, gosh...I don't blame the poor kid.

Sometimes, I can't prove that one kid is bothering another kid. So I offer the student that is telling me that they're being picked on to move. At least that allows the kid an "out". I try to do that in the classroom too. I tell students that if another kid is bothering them while they're trying to do their work, they can ask me to find them another quieter spot to sit so they can finish their work. I have no problem doing that. I'm all about kids who can take charge of themselves and problem solve.

I'm not about hitting, but Hunter did what he had to do, and so did you. I think you're "man enough." It's hard without dad there, but I think you did the right thing. Good on you.
on Feb 23, 2007
OK, so let me get this straight...

Theft is ok, assault is OK, Battery is unacceptable and grounds for suspension?

BS, if you ask me.

But I think you handled it well. That principal needs to be fired, in my opinion. Not only are they teaching bullying in this school, they're enabling the bullies by denying other students the right to fight back.

Tell your son to just push him to the ground next time. Then remind the principal that pushing is ok.

Just kidding, I think!
on Feb 23, 2007
Sometimes boys fight. Sometimes they just have to stand up for themselves. It taches the bully that it's time to quit in a way that tattling can never do. (and yes, in 5th grade, that's the attitude)

I'd rather see it happen in 5th grade, then in 12th. The lesson is learned with less of a price.
on Feb 23, 2007
Sometimes boys fight. Sometimes they just have to stand up for themselves. It taches the bully that it's time to quit in a way that tattling can never do. (and yes, in 5th grade, that's the attitude)

I'd rather see it happen in 5th grade, then in 12th. The lesson is learned with less of a price.
on Feb 23, 2007
I think Hunter's punishment at school is more than enough. You've addressed the situation with him at home and such, and


I don't envy teachers. I guess because I know Hunter so well....I didn't freak out. He is my "peace and love humanity" child. He never argues or fights with people. He likes to read and do computer things. He has never been the wrestling around with other boys type. He's all about keeping his space, HIS space.

So when he told me about this my first thought was..."Who are you and what did you do with Hunter?"

hahahahahahaha.

Tell your son to just push him to the ground next time. Then remind the principal that pushing is ok.


hahaha. That's a good idea.

My husband said this set a precedent for Hunter with the other kids. He may be laid back and non confrontational, but when pushed, he will push back.

I hope that it works.
on Feb 23, 2007
I'd rather see it happen in 5th grade, then in 12th. The lesson is learned with less of a price.


Yeah me too. And boys fighting, that is what my husband said exactly! But I'm telling you in all honesty, you'd think the way the principal talked, Hunter did something completely abnormal.

I kept waiting for the principal to laugh, smirk, something, anything...but he was very serious when telling me hitting is no no...shoving, not so bad.  
on Feb 23, 2007
It's normal for boys to fight. It's much better that the whole school now knows that he can and will stand up for himself than for the whole school to think of him as a wimp and a tattle tale. When I was his age I woulda popped the punk a quick one in the lip the first time he pulled that crap.
on Feb 23, 2007

When I was his age I woulda popped the punk a quick one in the lip the first time he pulled that crap.

hahaha.  Yeah, that is me all over.  But these days schools are crazy careful.

When I was a kid I just waited off school grounds, after school, to settle up.  But that might be labeled stalking or something now. heh.

Thanks Mason.  Hearing this from men I actually respect, is a big help.

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