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Published on October 8, 2008 By Tova7 In Blogging

Gavin started Kindergarten this year.  He is five, turns six in February.

If you read my blog you already know I was concerned about the length of the time he is required to ride the school bus here.

Gavin rides with only Kindergartners to school, but with K-5 after.

I was worried.  Gavin is a small guy and older boys can be hard on him. 

He's also a follower.  Of all the personality quirks my little man has, this is the one I find hardest to accept.  I know comparing your kids isn't good, but since Hunter is my only experience with child rearing at this age, I do.  Hunter has NEVER been a follower.  Once he sets his mind that something is wrong he won't do it.  No matter who tells him too, no matter how much pressure they apply, (be it physical or emotional).

So when I told Hunter at 3,4,5 his private parts are his, not for anyone else to see or touch (that's why they're PRIVATE) he got it.  When a kid smacked his butt in first grade Hunter went immediately to the school office and called me.  He told me someone touched his private parts.  I kept a check on the blood pressure long enough to ask which part and what happened.  He told me Johnny slapped his butt while they walked down the hall.

I realized in that moment Hunter understood, TOO WELL, and I felt a bit safer for him.

Along comes Gavin and I see by the third year he has many many more tactile needs than any kid I've ever met.  Touch is practically oxygen to him.  And it can be anyone, just as long as he is being touched.  (I am told this is because he was almost 2 months early...but I think part of it runs in my husband's family...who knows for sure, its just how he is.)

I was molested repeatedly as a kid.  Without going into detail, (I'm not traumatized, it's old news and dealt with) I can tell you it happened because no one ever bothered to mention it was:

a.) wrong, no matter how good it felt

b.) was carried out by people who were not stable

c.) kids can do it to each other.

Having experienced this and many other pitfalls in childhood (experienced because my parents were too busy/pre-occupied to be parents), I stopped working and stayed home with my kids when they came along.  The pitfalls of childhood weren't the only reasons I chose to stay home, but they certainly contributed.  I was determined to protect my kids from the types of things that happen when children are young and there is no adult supervision.

Gavin, because of his high tactile needs, has received more of the "private parts, don't touch, don't show them" than Hunter ever did.  I didn't beat it to death everyday, but as Kindergarten approached and he was going to be out of my or my husband's sight for the first time ever, I talked with him more about it.

Great.

Good.

So last week I get a call from the principal at the elementary.  He called to tell me there was an "incident on the bus with Gavin."  He told me a little girl on the bus went home from school and told her mom "Gavin pulled his pants down on the bus."  her mom called the school.

Great.

Good.

The principal talked to Gavin and the other kids who "saw this" and called me.  He lectured me for fifteen minutes about how this was not something to get angry about, but the issue needed to be addressed, yadda yadda yadda.  Oh your kid likes to play and sit with girls.  He has an issue with kissing one little girl in particular, then he hung up.

I held the receiver in my hand.  WTF?

I was shocked because Gavin never in all his social interactions EVER seemed inclined to pull his pants down in front of girls.  He does love little girls, but I think that's because they are "touchers."  They like to hold hands and run, dog pile on the slide and go down as a big lump, etc.

I waited for him to come home.  He was pretty scared because he had to go to the principal's office.  He wouldn't talk about it when I asked him.  He just started crying, ran and hid behind an overstuffed chair.  He was embarrassed (and rightly so) but I have never seen him act so ashamed.  He couldn't speak while looking at me.

His dad and I talked to him, asked why he did it.  He said, he was checking his penis because for some reason it started standing up a lot.  He said he had to pull his pants out to "fix it" and when he did, the girl in the next seat must of saw "it."

I wasn't too happy with that explanation because of all the talks we've had over the years about seeing to private places PRIVATELY, but ok, he messed up and promised NEVER to do it again.  My husband didn't buy it at all.  He said "there is more to this story."  But without more information, and none of the kids said any different, we went with it being an isolated incident.

So everyday since, my husband and I talked to Gavin about good choices and poor choices, private business versus public business.  We even worked it into a role playing type game.

Fast forward to yesterday.

Gavin gets off the bus and tells me right away he just (as in ten minutes before) pulled his pants down on the bus.  Steam started coming out of my ears.  I sat him down and asked him what happened.

This is what he said:  "I was in my assigned seat (two seat behind bus driver) with my seat mate waiting for the rest of the kids to get on the bus.  (The Kindergartners get on first because they are supposed to sit up front and most of them are so small the other kids will crush them in the rush to get on the bus.)  My friend Karen (a boy and that is not his name, Gavin doesn't even know his name just calls him Karen) sat down with us and said, 'lets pull down our pants and kiss private parts.'"

Um, I think its fair to say I was totally freaking out inside, though outside calm as a cucumber.

He told me that he said no at first, but then Karen pulled down his pants and Gavin and his seat mate kissed his "privates" and then Gavin pulled down his pants and received the kisses, and then the other kid did the same.

Voice shaking I said, "Private parts?  Which private parts?"

He said, "Booties."  (Butts)

It should tell you something about my reaction when I was RELIEVED he said butts.  But the relief was fleeting.

I asked for clarification, he said they kissed each others butts.

I reminded him of our friggin WEEK long conversation about private parts being private and HOW COULD HE DO IT AGAIN?  He cried and said Karen wouldn't be his friend anymore unless he did it.

I beat his ass.

Probably not the best approach, but damn.  Obviously talking to him FOR A WEEK didn't make an impression so maybe a spanking will.  He got three swats right on his butt and grounded for the rest of the day.  I won't lie, there was more than a little bit of screaming going on.

I called the bus driver.  He didn't "see" anything.  The camera on the bus is broken.  (Like everything else in this school district.)  He hadn't gotten around to assigning seats yet.  I guess bus driving must be a pretty busy job since school's been in session for over 2 months and the kids still have no assigned seats.  He told me he runs the "older" kids to the back of the bus to keep them from the Kindergartners.

So we found out today "Karen" is a 2nd grade boy who has taken an interest in Gavin.  (Gavin can be manipulated like a puppet once a kid discovers just the THREAT of withholding friendship will make Gavin obey their every whim.)

When the vice principle asked Karen if he sat with Gavin yesterday, the kid said no.  But the bus driver said he DID see Karen sit with Gavin yesterday so the kid was lying.  Well, DUH.

So now my husband is saying..."see I told ya there was more to the story.  Gavin doesn't just pull his pants down in front of people."

And while I am sorely tempted to make this 2nd grade kid out as a pervert.  The reasons I don't are twofold.  First, the principle was content to do the same thing to my kid last week..to make it a personal character issue at friggin 5....Two, the truth is, he had to learn it from somewhere.  He's 8 and while a certain amount of exploration may be considered normal, kissing other kids' naked butts on a school bus has more worms than a rotting corpse.

Of course now the bus driver is on super alert.  Hell, no one will mess with Gavin again on that bus and they are making it a priority to get the camera fixed.  (Shut the barn door the horse is out.)

I am still so angry I can't see straight.  I'm angry with Gavin for being such a follower and so friggin needy for friendship he will do anything to make others like him.

I am angry that I spent the last three years talking to him about just this type thing and he "forgot."

I am angry that the principal assumed last week my kid was a perv and this was our pervy family's issue.

I am angry the bus driver wasn't doing his damn job, the camera is broken, and no one noticed 2 little boys sitting with a boy almost twice their size and pulling their pants down.

I'm angry that all the sacrifices we made to make sure something like this didn't happen to our kid in babysitting/daycare was derailed by it happening at school.

I'm just angry.

 

 

 

 

 


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on Oct 08, 2008

Guess I'm just too old school.  I'd go to the 2nd grader's Dad and knock his teeth out.

on Oct 08, 2008

While I would feel the need to do what Ock said he would do, I would not actually go that far but I would make sure the father/mother knew what I knew. I am sorry such a thing had to happen to get some kind of organization in this school. One always hopes people learn from these kinds of mistakes, one just never wants one's own kids to have to be the example for it. Having a child in Kinder myself, thses kinds of stories scare the hell outta me. I drop them off and pick them up myself but I did find myself close to using buses. I just didn't see the need the way my scedule works.

My younger son is a piece of work. Like yours, my older seems to get what is right and what is wrong (though he does get in trouble once in a while for minor things), but my younger son, at times, makes me think he is deaf or has this need to drive me crazy on purpose. He is not the one usually being led, he is usually the leader or the starter. He already got suspended 1 month into the school year. I was so embarrassed. I have currently cancelled Halloween at my house because one does not respect and the other wont do his homework and is getting bad grades in school. They have till the end of the month to save halloween and I warned them Christmas is next on the list. And when I say I will do something, believe me I will.

on Oct 08, 2008

Yeah, I would be HOT. 

There is something going on with "Karen"...WOW, this is really upsetting!

on Oct 08, 2008

Tova,

I know you're in the moment and very angry and I completely understand but it's very normal for kids to have curiosity of some type at this age and they need to be taught appropriate behavior as you're doing.

I remember my brothers and I did some curiousity peeking but that was it and I'm talking 4-5 or so.  I also remember about that time the neighbor kids across the street used to pull their pants down like a prank or something and I think I did then as well.  We were all about 4-7 years of age. 

I remember doing the same thing as Gavin for a candy bar.  Really.  I remember this to this day.  I was in either kindergarten or 1st grade and a boy in my class asked if I would pull my pants down for a candy bar.  I said I would.  It didn't mean that much to me at the time. He didn't touch me or anything...down and up and I got my candy bar.   He never asked me again.  My mother probably would have killed me but I did it back behind our house. 

When one of my sons was in 1st grade there was a game going around (he may have started it I don't know) where they would pinch each other "down there" and run off.  Well the teacher saw my son do this one day and quite alarmed called me. 

I wasn't happy with my son and told him under no circumstances was he to do this again.  I have no idea where this came from.  I was called in for questioning.  They wanted to know if my son had ever been sexually abused.  There was just no way.  I was with him 24/7.   My kids NEVER knew the definition of a babysitter.  We lived in the country with no other homes around us and they were not of the age where they went to another house without me.  I was really getting upset they even thought such things. 

I found out weeks later our family was secretly investigated over this and they found nothing.  I was mortified and upset they would even think such a thing.  He never did it again. 

This same son was fascinated with little girls in general starting really early.  I remember when he was about two or three he'd go up to little girls with tights on and feel their legs.  He'd squat down (he was so small he was already close to the ground)  and just touch their covered legs.  He'd go up to women and myself and rub his little hand over our nylons if he was sitting nearby. 

I also babysat an only child for six years.  When he hit upper elementary he started getting really curious about body parts.  We heard that "Evan" would expose himself on the bus. He thought it was funny.  By the time he hit sixth grade he seemed preoccupied with this subject and sex in general. I remember one conversation during a sleepover at boy scout camp that was inappropriate.   I stopped babysitting him because I didn't want this rubbing off on my sons. 

When you mentioned about the butt kissing all I could think of was maybe they heard "kiss my butt" somewhere and thought that was something people do. 

 

on Oct 08, 2008

I don't think what "Karen" did is normal or healthy.  I have an 8 year old.  I can't imagine him preying on a young child like that. 

on Oct 08, 2008

I beat his ass.

Where's this talk about "booties" and then you use the A word?  *GASP*

Kids!  Where gray hairs come from.

on Oct 08, 2008

I'd go to the 2nd grader's Dad and knock his teeth out.

Well, I am sure the little girl who saw Gavin's penis, her dad probably thinks the same of my husband.  He just doesn't understand WHY his penis "just stands up all on its own."  Even tho his dad has talked to him AT LENGTH about it...he still thinks its a big deal.

 

on Oct 08, 2008

Having a child in Kinder myself, thses kinds of stories scare the hell outta me.

The reason it really chaffs my ass is because I have gone out of my way to protect my kids from this sort of thing.  I didn't want it to touch them.

I would not actually go that far but I would make sure the father/mother knew what I knew.

Oh they know.  There is no getting around the way we handled it today.  Being at the school, with not only the bus driver but the head of the dept of transportation, the vice principle, (the principal was gone), teachers, students.  This will be addressed, but part of me says, big whoop.  Damage done.

 

on Oct 08, 2008

Yeah, I would be HOT.

There is something going on with "Karen"...WOW, this is really upsetting!

I agree.  The kid knew enough to lie about it.  He also picked the most immature easily manipulated 5 year old on the bus to befriend, then used a threat of revoking friendship to get compliance.

He's learning that somewhere.

What really just bugs me is I am super vigilant.  We don't have babysitters, never have.  It makes me wonder why I can't shake this out of my life.  I mean, I know people who have never been touched by any sort of sexually inappropriate event, and their kids haven't either...and most of them don't even think about it.

And yet here we are.

 

on Oct 08, 2008

I know you're in the moment and very angry and I completely understand but it's very normal for kids to have curiosity of some type at this age and they need to be taught appropriate behavior as you're doing.

I remember my brothers and I did some curiousity peeking but that was it and I'm talking 4-5 or so. I also remember about that time the neighbor kids across the street used to pull their pants down like a prank or something and I think I did then as well. We were all about 4-7 years of age.

I remember doing the same thing as Gavin for a candy bar. Really. I remember this to this day. I was in either kindergarten or 1st grade and a boy in my class asked if I would pull my pants down for a candy bar. I said I would. It didn't mean that much to me at the time. He didn't touch me or anything...down and up and I got my candy bar. He never asked me again. My mother probably would have killed me but I did it back behind our house.

Well that did make me smile.  But imagine the pulling the pants thing down and you kept them down while he moved around behind you, bent his knees and kissed your butt, then insisted you do the same to him and if you didn't he threatened something you thought was really important like his friendship or that candybar.

Think you'd recount it as easily?  Would it be as funny?

Maybe it would, but in my experience, natural curiosity loses some of the childhood cuteness when one kid is older and much more mature than the other, and when its done in public even tho the older kid knows its wrong.  That means whatever is driving the behavior is stronger than getting in trouble with adults, and stronger than the humiliation of having an older kid see and possibly make fun of, or beat him up.

I think there is probably more to that issue.

 

on Oct 08, 2008

Where's this talk about "booties" and then you use the A word?

Five year olds say booty...mom says ass.

on Oct 08, 2008

Oy vey.

If its any consolation (and I doubt it would be), whe we taught in Las Vegas I had first graders french kissing and showing private parts.  AND...our principal had seen fifth graders giving blow jobs in the midst of a group of peers on the play ground.

I just...I wonder where kids hear this stuff and see this stuff?  I know the answer and THAT is what scares me.

on Oct 08, 2008

I don't think what "Karen" did is normal or healthy. I have an 8 year old. I can't imagine him preying on a young child like that.

I agree with Tex. Somethings going on there. I know it's tough but try to chill a little over a couple of days and get your ducks all in a row and then go to it. There's not a doubt in my mind you'll do the right thing.

on Oct 08, 2008

I know it's tough but try to chill a little over a couple of days and get your ducks all in a row and then go to it. There's not a doubt in my mind you'll do the right thing.

I know my limits.  I dealt with my baggage many years ago, but I don't fool myself.  When it comes to this sort of thing I am never going to look at it rationally.

Thankfully I am married to a fairly calm man who will work to get to the bottom of this, for our son's sake, and for the sake of that little second grade boy.

I just...I wonder where kids hear this stuff and see this stuff? I know the answer and THAT is what scares me.

I don't think its at home Marcy.  I just can't believe parents are doing this or allowing it in massive enough amounts for it to be so prevalent in schools.

But then it could happen by omission.  The parents aren't around, and someone in charge has no vested interest in how a kid turns out and things "happen."  Who knows.

 

 

on Oct 08, 2008

It makes me wonder why I can't shake this out of my life.

Sorry to hear about this, Tova! Your life is so full of what-can-go-wrong-will-go-wrong-but-Tonya-the-warrior-queen-can-defeat-and-overcome-anything-that-comes-her-way! I feel confident that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and now your boys are taking that ride with you!

Now, about the bus driver not "doing his job."  I admire any guy who raises his hand to drive a bus full of rowdy kids on a daily basis. To me that's a big enough responsibility without being expected to keep decorum and an eye on everyone while he best be keeping both eyes on the road.

I'm thinking that in addition to the driver, that bus needs an adult bus monitor whose sole purpose is to monitor the kids. I think that would be better than a camera.

My li'l Michael is just 4 months younger than Gavin. He took the bus to/from preschool when he was 3, and they had a monitor like that. The bus monitors were "stay-at-home-moms" whose kids were in school. They'd get paid whatever amount to help on the bus to/from school, and do odds n ends at school during the day. 

Oh, it would crush me if Michael met some sort of confusing, potentially-traumatizing situation like that...

Good for you teaching Gavin about the sanctity of his body for all these years. I'm sort of in a stupor on that topic right now because it's hard for me to know how much detail to go into with my son who's never experienced anything inappropriate. I certainly don't want to be the one to put creepy thoughts into his head, but at the same time I want him to be armed with the right information and preparation how to deal with inappropriate situations...Aaagh!

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