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Published on August 8, 2008 By Tova7 In Parenting

MAJOR PARENTING WHINE/VENT.....

After reading Tex's latest article, Minivan Confessions, I admit to being somewhat relieved.  Why?  I'm not alone!  And because every year at this time my kids seem to get cranky.  Not just a here and there crankiness, but an honest to goodness "what will it be today?" foulness.

My twelve year old doesn't want to do anything but play on his computer.  Part of it is laziness.  I love him, but am not blind to his tendency to be lazy.  Part of it is because school starts in 2 1/2 weeks and he's not allowed to game during the school week.  There is just too much homework, and general busy-ness to make time for gaming.  So he is trying to squeeze every minute of fun he can out of sitting on his butt gaming.  And his recent weight gain proves it.

Most of it tho, laziness.

Nothing else matters.  And WOE to the person who pulls him away from gaming.  For instance, we have a canoe.  We are an outdoor family, always have been.  Except for my 12 year old who recently informed me there is "nothing to be gained from being outside.  It benefits me in no way."  This from the kid I had to force inside at dark most of his life.  But I digress. 

Saturday morning we get the kids up and head out to a little used section of the Little Miami River (where the fishing is fab, but the actual canoing uh, not so much).  I told Hunter to put on some sandals because the river is low and we will have to port.  (Don't know if that's an official word, but its one we use when hitting a log jam or something in the river which requires us to leave the water and carry the canoe to a spot further down river, where we can re-enter the water.)

Well guess what?  Hunter doesn't have any sandals, or anything other than tennis shoes.  Why?  Because when we did summer shoe shopping he refused to come with us.  (He has wide feet and must try on shoes, even crocks because the size I think will fit perfect, never does.)  Said his shoes were fine, he didn't like sandals.  I figured, ok I'll let him live with the consequences of the decision.  Let his feet sweat.

So all he has are tennis shoes, and with the recent growth spurt only one pair that fits.  Now I could let him wear them, but I know the mud on the river.  There is no way they'll work.  So we scrounge for some river shoes, and he ends up wearing a pair of mine.  But he is so freakin lazy he just shoves his feet in them, heel hanging out, without zipping them up.

He also plays the "I don't know what to do" game when we make him do family activities.  While porting, he just walked aimlessly, slowly in front of us, while my husband and I were carrying the canoe telling him to hurry it up.  When my husband told him to grab on and help, he slouches and says "Where?"

Carrying a heavy ass canoe through needle like plants, and watching a kid as big as I am stand around and be useless, set my temper off.  He can SEE what needs to be done, but since he doesn't really want to be there, refuses to acknowledge it.  And when my husband calls him on it, tells him to grab hold for instance, he acts like a three year old..gives us "I don't know how" eyes and then just gets in the way.

It was not a good day on the river.

I won't even discuss how we have to lift the canoe over our heads to put on top of the minivan....and how Hunter gets IN THE VAN to wait while we do it.  And how much yelling from his dad is required to get him to even look like he's helping.

A part of me wants to leave him home from now on.  He's ruined the last several family outings for everyone.  And at the end of the day I want to strangle him.

I did enjoy the part where he sank in KNEE high mud and it sucked the shoes he was too lazy to zip, right off his feet.  Maybe that's mean, but hey, the kid was asking for that and so much more.  Of course he didn't even try to get rinsed off before getting into the canoe.  That ratcheted up my husband's blood pressure.

Another example?  Yesterday.  It was almost noon and Hunter was still in bed.  My husband and I disagree on letting kids sleep in.  I feel if they are tired, let them sleep.  What does it hurt?  They're growing and their bodies will wake up when they've rested enough.  Besides he's on summer break.  Right?  Weeellll...

My husband says there is no reason for Hunter to be sleeping so late.  He goes to bed in the summer no later than 12:30 and shouldn't still be in bed at noon.  He thinks Hunter should be up and about and GET USED TO IT, because it will help prepare him for the rest of his life.  (And I do agree with that but still think I am right too.)

I am at home with them during the week so I let him sleep.  He IS growing.  He's grown over five inches in the last four months!  I go to his room and told him "ten minutes to brush your teeth and get ready.  We're taking a picnic lunch to the state park, then going on the hiking trail."

He started bitching and moaning because he wants to spend every minute playing video games.  I walked away.

We loaded up, him sulking, and went to the park.  We had lunch, which he didn't like.  I tried to talk to him about why exercise is important.  He gave me attitude and said he doesn't care if he's fat, if he's out of shape, who cares?  "Who cares how I look?"  was his mantra.

When I explained about cholesterol, diabetes, he replied, "I don't care if I have those things."  I told him they lead to death...he said, "So?  It's not like I'm going to die today.  Look at all the fat adults around.  I'll live to be that old at least."

On and on.

We started out on the trail.  It's beautiful.  All forest, trees, and the river gurgling, animals, and lots of huge boulders that make caves.  All that to enjoy?  No.  Hunter wouldn't shut up.  He picked fights with me, and when it didn't work, with his brother.  He argued and complained the entire first hour.  When I'd had enough and screamed at him to shut up, totally destroying the tranquility of nature, heh.  I decided we needed to head back before I left him to the wolves or beat him with my handy walking stick.  So we turned around for the hour hike back to the parking area.

There was no winning.  Gavin then started complaining.  Seeing as we were heading back and the fun was almost over he decided he was "tired" and "couldn't walk another step."  But, could we stop and play at the park on the way home?  Yeah, real tired.

All the way back I thought, My god, I have two ungrateful, self absorbed, and one seriously lazy kid. 

To top it all off, when we got back to the van Hunter took the last bottle of water out of the cooler and drank it.  That's no big deal except he only took two drinks of water from the bottle at lunch and it was still good.  But no, it wasn't cold, screw everyone else in the family, he wanted the last one and he took it.

My husband has wanted to really crack down on Hunter.  Meaning, make him suffer and sweat and learn to "be a man." haha.  But I tried to buffer that because my husband is a bit of an authoritarian.  He thinks his children should "hop too" like his troops at work.  If he says it, he wants it done NOW.  No quibbling.  No bad attitude.  No nonsense.  JUST DO IT AND LIKE IT!

Now, after the last few weeks (these are only two examples of many) I think I was wrong to keep my husband from making my son tow the Basic Training Line.

I am about to hand over all the discipline issues/motivation issues whatever you want to call it to my man.

Sulking is fine.  I can and do ignore it.  But outright blatant sabotage of everyone else's good time?  That's going to end.  I guess its about that time of year to take his computer out of his room, remove the games completely until he learns to be a human again.

Gah.

 

We are going canoing again this weekend.  Can't wait.

Grrrrr.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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on Aug 08, 2008
Can I just say how happy I am to read this?!?!

Xavier is so similar! He is very moody and if we do something he doesn't like to do, he will make it miserable for everyone with his sulking and picking fights with his brother (heh, ask Loca, she's seen it!).

Adrian is the crack down on him one and I am more along the lines of, it's annoying, but it's a phase and it will get better. I don't like to see him sad, and I don't like for his feelings to be hurt. Of course, they *have* to be hurt. That's a part of growing up. But I hate it.

Xavier will try to be snotty to me, but he knows better than to do it to his dad or do it to me IN FRONT OF HIS DAD. It is so draining and I am definitely looking forward to the beginning of school. I know that's bad, but who doesn't want to get their kids back in school at the end of summer? LOL.

I love my kids and they have a lot of wonderful qualities, but seriously, there are days when I wouldn't mind doing the old-school "don't come home until dark" thing and send them on their way, haha.

I love that your family does such active things. I love how involved and adventurous your family is. I am not an outdoorsy person but I would like it (and the kids would benefit) if we sought out more opportunities for fun outside the house. I thought we would camp out this summer, but we didn't. Although we could do some backyard camping. We might have to do that before summer's end.
on Aug 08, 2008

Can I just say how happy I am to read this?!?!

That's how I felt when other moms started be-moaning the length of summer...

Whew.

I love my kids and they have a lot of wonderful qualities, but seriously, there are days when I wouldn't mind doing the old-school "don't come home until dark" thing and send them on their way, haha.

Exactly. 

Hunter's 12, will be 13 in November, but I think he's hit the teens early!  That just ain't right.

Also, I made him research childhood obesity when we came home, after he cleaned his room.  Then he had to give me an oral essay on it.  He was so mad, but he did it.  And all the sudden he is a BELIEVER.  I tell him and its WHO CARES?  He reads some random website and its a friggin EPIDEMIC!

hahahaha

 

on Aug 08, 2008

It's the beginning of his growing up, of wanting to be independent, of not wanting to be SEEN with mom and dad (oh gawd there was nothing worse than that) and choose their own activities with peers instead of parents for company...or simply spend time alone.

I think we give him ample time for individual pursuits.  In fact you tell me if its not TOO MUCH.

He worked really hard last year at school.  So I told him, you can play your games as much as you want this summer, but you must get 30 minutes of elliptical machine a day (which he did faithfully until I was gone with family issues and wasn't here to enforce it.  So, yes I really am worried about his health.)  And NO COMPLAINING when we do family stuff.

He agreed.

He literally spends every waking moment, of every single day, playing games...until 12:30 in the morning and occasionally later.  Every. Single.  Night. in his room.  He has friends on line he talks too via a headset and that is almost all the peer social interaction he gets.

When his best friend from school comes to spend the night, the next day Hunter is asking me to take him home so he can have all his systems and room back the way he wants it, without interruption.

When I take Gavin to the park, the pool, or on a bike ride, (we do something every single day, he's a fireball of energy) whatever, I let Hunter stay home and play games since I know he derives no joy in doing those things now, even with a friend along.

When hubby is home and we do something as a family, Hunt is required to go.  That is non-negotiable.  So at MOST two days a week (when dad is in town), and that's if we do something every single weekend.  With all the death and sickness in my family this summer, we've spent most weekends home..or they have, while I have been at hospitals and nursing homes.

So here we are in August.  The boy has gained 15 pounds.  He is ghost white, and some days doesn't get out of his pajamas.  And we are SO NOT TALKING about masturbation on JU....as far as I'm concerned my son WOULD NEVER!  (Leave me my illusions, kay?) hahahaha

Now does that sound like I am requiring him to spend too much time with us?   He does have a few chores, but frankly they are small and he does them fast and efficiently.

Maybe I am too close to the situation but I think the kid's got it pretty good.  I don't have an issue with him breaking away, hell honestly I CAN'T WAIT!  hahahaha.  But, he is STILL part of this family unit, and he STILL has a lot to learn.

My youngest can survive in the woods with nothing but a jacket and fishing pole.  He's 5.  My oldest can't survive two hours without losing his shoes.

It's frustrating.  But you are right...its only the beginning.  Guess this is where I step back and let dad step up.  After all, my husband is a good man...who better to teach my teen to be one as well?

 

on Aug 08, 2008
PS--I haven't checked my email today, but as of yesterday there was nothing from you in regards to the thyroid tests I should ask for when I make an appointment with an endocrinologist...help me out, chikka, I haven't got a clue!


Did you check your LW hotmail addy? I sent it to that one the day after you asked....

Let me know.
on Aug 08, 2008
Maybe some counseling is in order to help him put things back into perspective?


I actually did this last year when Hubby was in the desert. I thought Hunt was obsessed and didn't have another adult to bounce it off of...so I took him in to see someone. That person told me to chill, the fact Hunter interacted at school, had good grades, and had friends as well as a few outside interests was proof it wasn't interfering with life.

I didn't agree..but he said I was wasting my money.

is he into just playing the games or has he shown interest in using his 'puter skills in more creative ways, like learning to code and making his OWN games?


He isn't into coding too much. He likes to make videos, montages, and other production oriented things. But there are too many games to discover...he just discovered EVE and won't stop yammering about it.

Parenting sux.    
on Aug 08, 2008
Wow. That was when I started getting into really bad internet stuff, 12, 11, 10. You know the stuff. Don't let him have a computer in his room, eavesdrop on his conversations with online people, check the history on the browser, read his IMs, etc.

Video games and computer games are addictive as anything else. They give you a feeling like you've accomplished something when you've really done nothing. Later in life, he will want that feeling of accomplishment and have to play video games to get it, if instead of developing actual skills he pisses his life away on games.

Yeah, I'm projecting.

But, on the claiming he doesn't know what to do stuff - that reminds me of me too. I never know what to do about anything, even when it's obvious and in front of my face. It's a confidence issue, I think, where I might know what to do but I'm not absolutely sure I'm right, so I don't want to get in the way of those who know what they're doing.

Also, if you take away his games and internet, it's okay if he's bored. Maybe he'll come up with something imaginative or creative if you give him enough time. I think my ability to be imaginative and creative was hit hard by being allowed to use the computer or video games all the time.

It gets so that your brain can't let go of the thought of playing a game, so when you're outside doing something, you can't enjoy it because what you really want to be doing is playing that game, exploring it, figuring it out, getting better at it... it's misplaced ambition. Why can't I ever seem to get that going with the Bible, right?
on Aug 08, 2008
Wow. That was when I started getting into really bad internet stuff, 12, 11, 10. You know the stuff. Don't let him have a computer in his room, eavesdrop on his conversations with online people, check the history on the browser, read his IMs


He does have a computer in his room, but he keeps the door open, and I do check his history periodically.

Also, if you take away his games and internet, it's okay if he's bored.


I don't worry about my kids being bored. I also don't like to rip things they consider important away from them willy nilly. He worked hard last year for this summer of computer games. Nine months of the year he only games on the weekend.

He's like most kids his age, or how I remember being. He found something he likes to do recreationally, and wants to do it all the time. I was hoping he'd burn out, but nope. Still going strong.

It gets so that your brain can't let go of the thought of playing a game, so when you're outside doing something, you can't enjoy it because what you really want to be doing is playing that game, exploring it, figuring it out, getting better at it... it's misplaced ambition.


Which is exactly why we don't let him game during the week while school is in session. He never stops thinking about gaming long enough to be productive and learn some stuff.

You seem like you turned out ok Jyth. I mean any man who rubs his wife's feet has been paying attention...and I doubt you learned it in video games.  
on Aug 08, 2008
LOL @ how it's who cares until someone else says it.

Great job getting him thinking about his health, though. Impressive.

Being into video games (REALLY into video games) sounds normal to me, but everyone in my family ('cept me) is into video games, so it's one of the things everyone does, separately and as a family activity.

I don't really worry about too much video game time. I just hate it when we're doing something as a family that should be fun and he (Xavier) looks like he's ready to off himself because it sucks so much.
on Aug 08, 2008

I sincerely invoked the name of Jesus a couple of weeks ago...and literally begged him to remove the desire to smoke from me. It didn't work. It led to a lot of philosophical questions that I'd love to talk to you about someday, but be forewarned, I have to be in a certain mood to discuss it honestly, without holding back, and that mood can only be induced by a large amount of alcohol, lol.

Well its Friday...about 8 pm..I'll give ya a call.

on Aug 08, 2008

looks like he's ready to off himself because it sucks so much

You should see it on a 5'4" kid at about 120 pounds, and a snow white face.

SCARY I TELL YA!

 

on Aug 08, 2008

Well, I am sorry and happy to read this at the same time. You are not alone by any stretch. This scenario plays out all over the place.

I think this kind of thing is more common then people let on. Families are not perfect and they have to learn to be with each other. You don't pick your family, but you do have to live with them. At least for a little while.

I think everyone probably has at least one story like this. I would love to give advice, but right now I am considered the worst mother ever.

on Aug 09, 2008

but right now I am considered the worst mother ever.

Not by me Kelly.  I think you are a fantastic mother per our private discussions.

Personally I struggle between wanting to give my kids what they want so they can explore, create, delve into things in depth, to HOPEFULLY uncover their gifts and talents.  And just taking it all away, handing them a library card and saying, get after it.

Finding that middle ground is hard.

on Aug 09, 2008
I think you have the middle ground down during the school year, but then the summer comes and you let it swing to one side. That's all. One of these school years, he won't go back to school. He'll still be playing games in his head.
on Aug 09, 2008

One of these school years, he won't go back to school. He'll still be playing games in his head.


Then he risks losing it all.


I hope he's smarter than that.


If not.


He loses.

on Aug 09, 2008
Video and computer games should be collected up and piled in a field somewhere, dosed with gasoline, and BURNED. I HATE the damn things! They are ruining an entire generation.
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