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Published on February 9, 2010 By Tova7 In Current Events

A couple weeks ago I sat down to help my 6 year old with his homework.

The phone rang.

“Ms. Tova, this is Mr. A, the Vice Principal from the middle school?”

Me:  “Yes.”

VP:  “I just wanted to let you know, H won’t be on the bus today.  It seems there was a bit of talking in study hall today, some inappropriate conversation within a group of boys.  There were some threats made toward the president, so I have the City Police Department coming by to speak with the boys, let them know that kind of thing won’t be tolerated.”

Me:  “Um, ok.  I was going to pick H up after school at 4:45 anyway because he’s working on a project in one of his classes.”

VP:  “Oh, ok, no problem.  You can just pick him up as planned.  Thanks.”

He hung up.

I looked at the phone.  What the??

I sat down with the youngest and after half a page of homework decided something was WRONG, and I needed to get to the school and figure out what was going on.  If the police were coming to talk to my kid  I wanted to be there.

Bundled up the 6 year old, and off we went to the middle school.

A police cruiser sat out front.

I went into the office to see my son.  School had been out for about 30 minutes at this point.  The secretary took me to him.  He was in a counselor’s room sitting alone at the end of the hall, and another boy was in another room.  However, on the way back I saw the police officer in an office with the vice-principal, door closed.

Me: “H.  What’s going on?”

H:  “I didn’t even know until a few minutes ago.  I’ve been sitting here over an hour.”

Me:  “And what’s going on?”

H:  “Today in study hall a couple of us were talking about white house security.  How easy it seemed for people to get in uninvited, and how easy it would be for terrorists to smuggle in a grenade and blow up the president.  How ridiculous is it that there is one paltry fence around the white house, you know we use more fencing around our nuclear….”

Me: “I don’t want to relive the conversation H.  You shouldn’t have been talking in study hall!  Why are the cops here then?”

H:  “Well we were talking, mostly I was talking, and when the study hall teacher asked us what was so interesting, someone sitting down the table from us yelled out “they’re talking about killing Obama.”  He was joking but the study hall teacher got really mad.  She told us to shut up and she was reporting it.  A period later they called me to the office and Mr A told me to ‘sit down the cops are on the way’…I had no idea why until just a few minute ago when he asked me to write down what happened.”

Me:  “Did you threaten the president?”

H:  “Of course not.  No one did.  We were talking about white house security, that’s it.”

So we waited.  And waited some more.

The longer I waited the more aggravated I became.  First, my son is a good kid.  He doesn’t get into trouble at school, he’s quiet, thoughtful, and all his teachers confirm this.  Besides, in his entire life, he’s never threatened anyone or anything.  EVER.  And that’s quite a feat considering his little brother..haha.

Finally it was our turn to go into the VP’s office.  The policeman never asked H if he threatened the president, just gave him a “there are things you can talk about and things you can’t…” speech, “watch who you have conversations with" speech.  He then told him the secret service “carries people away for hours” over things like this.  Then he said there seemed to be some confusion over who said what, essentially he said, she said.

When the cop is done I turn to the VP:

Me:  “First of all, my son said he didn’t threaten the president, and I believe him.  I’m not a parent who thinks her child walks on water.  I believe in personal responsibility, and we teach it to our kids.  H is in more trouble with me for talking in study hall than for talking about white house security.  This is America, and last time I checked, discussing white house security wasn’t against the law.  And I am unhappy with how you handled this situation.  You showed a poor lack of administrative discretion here.  We live in (upper class suburb) Ohio.  Even if they ALL threatened the president, which I do not believe happened, there is no intent, no opportunity, there is no way to carry it out, they’re 12-14 year olds, what are they gonna do, ride their bicycles to DC…”

VP:  ~interrupts and throws his hands in the air~ “Once the president is brought into the conversation IT’S ABOVE MY PAYGRADE!”

Me:  “No it is not above your pay grade.  Your the vice principal aren’t you??  You could have pulled the group of boys aside, told them its a felony to threaten the president, give them detention for talking in study hall, and…”

VP:  Throws his hands in the air again… “It’s common sense!  And what am I supposed to tell parents who call wanting to know about kids threatening the president?!”

Me:  “You tell them you did your job!  There is nothing but he said she said here….big surprise considering its MIDDLE SCHOOL!  You could have talked to the kids to find out the whole story, then took appropriate action.  Calling in the city police department, who now may or may not notify the secret service is not only a waste of resources, its poor administration on your part.”

VP:  “I don’t agree.”

Me:  “No kidding.”

The police officer said he was done and we left.

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Ok.  Here are my biggest problems with this entire situation.

1.  These kids have never been in trouble and are between 12-14 years old, have no obvious intent, means, etc.

2.  The kid who yelled out the topic of conversation when the study hall teacher asked, wasn’t close enough to be part of the conversation…he heard (and admitted in his statement later) he was “just joking”  and “not close enough to hear all of it.”

3.  The VP called my son to the office without telling him WHY…told him the “police are on the way” then isolated him.  My son sat there for an hour before finding out what was going on.  What was the point of scaring a kid that way?  Besides a little sadism?

4.  The VP is supposed to be a child advocate.  And yet, every step of this process he chose the path that could most damage my son’s future.

How?  Read Part 2. 

 

 


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on Feb 09, 2010

I use to run a series called "Zero Tolerance = Zero Intelligence".  I gave it up not because I could find no more material, but because it was all too common place.

just like this.  That buffoon needs to be fired.  he is a detriment to your children's education, not an asset to it.

But I doubt it will happen.  his superiors (in paygrade only) toil under the same handicap.  Zero Tolerance = Zero Intelligence.

on Feb 09, 2010

That's just it Doc...we don't have a zero tolerance policy...our district is too savy...however, Homeland Security does (read pt 2)...It's almost like the VP enjoyed hurting those kids.....I hate to say that, but his actions imply it.

on Feb 09, 2010

I read part 2.  And if you are correct about your district, I would have that VP fired!  he clearly showed no intelligence.  And you are probably right.  he took pleasure in "sticking" it to a bunch of pre to early teens.

on Feb 09, 2010

I would have that VP fired! he clearly showed no intelligence. And you are probably right. he took pleasure in "sticking" it to a bunch of pre to early teens

I don't think I can have him fired...haha...not that powerful.  But I am drafting a letter to the Board of Education.  If he makes a habit of doing so much harm to kids, a paper-trail might be exactly what's needed to have him removed from his position.  (It's practically impossible to fire  teachers or other gov workers Doc.  Sad.  But true.)

on Feb 09, 2010

Only in America. If something similar had happend in a school here, and if I were a teacher who had been there, I'd have asked the kids first what that had been all about. Kids talk about stupid things all the time after all, that is no reason to call the police. Paranoia seems to be a widespread american faible with some issues. I am sorry for your boy - he didn't do anything wrong.

on Feb 09, 2010

I agree with utemia, The problem was the teacher that escalated the problem. He/she had no desire to investigate the issue through a little investigative work. I understand that nobody wants to take responsibility, pass the buck forward to avoid liability,but these teachers should have some idea of their students personalities, capabilities and temperment. This teacher could have defused this issue then and there. The VP just made things worse. If he was scared he could have phoned the students parents and just stated he felt the kids conversation might have been discussing an issue that they might not understand the ramifications of and let the parent decide how to handle it. Kids are curious about such things too, this could have easily became a learning moment with some adult supervision (instead of cowardice), not the usual use of study hall I know, but an opportunity never the less.

on Feb 09, 2010

If something similar had happened in a school here, and if I were a teacher who had been there, I'd have asked the kids first what that had been all about. Kids talk about stupid things all the time after all, that is no reason to call the police.

Funny you mention that....H started study hall this quarter, for just this quarter.  He came home at the beginning of the quarter and told me he thought his study hall teacher might have multiple personality disorder.  haha..He said, she'd laugh and cut up with them, and the next minute her face would get angry and she'd start screaming about talking in study hall....

I didn't tie her to the situation until a woman came up to me while I was waiting with H to talk to the police, stuck her hand out and said, "I'm Ms. K.  I'm so disappointed in my boys.  This happened in my class."

She acted like sorrow was a weight on her shoulders over it.  And I thought she was being a bit dramatic, so I said, "H didn't do anything wrong, outside of talking in study hall."

She dropped her hand, turned on her heel and marched out of the room.

Then H said, "See?  That's her.  That's the multiple personality disorder I was talking about."

Yes.  There were several steps along the way that common sense just did not win out.

on Feb 09, 2010

Its enough to prompt a move to Canada.

on Feb 09, 2010

Kids are curious about such things too, this could have easily became a learning moment with some adult supervision (instead of cowardice), not the usual use of study hall I know, but an opportunity never the less.

The VP tried to make this a "its a good civic lesson" argument when I first told him he was incompetent.  I told him that would be fine and I'd agree if it wasn't wasting city resources, tax payer money, and potentially damaging a child's future.

All my son really saw was a reason not to respect the VP.  He won't be disrespectful toward the man, but you can bet he will doubt everything out of his mouth now.

on Feb 09, 2010

Its enough to prompt a move to Canada.

Yeah if the taxes weren't so high! 

 

on Feb 10, 2010

It's interesting to see how schools are looking for ways to take responsibility away from themselves while managing the hundreds of kids under their school roofs. It's like being a babysitter but not being responsible if the child gets hurt while I watch them.

Tova, I am sorry for your childs situation,. it scares me to think such things go on in school. I have 2 boys, one in 1st and 1 in 6th grade and to think they could get in trouble for something they didn't do makes me wanna go to the school and put a little fear into the administrator myself.

I recently received a letter from my older sons school that thanks to your article I feel inspired to write about because it scares the hell outta me.

on Feb 11, 2010

I recently received a letter from my older sons school that thanks to your article I feel inspired to write about because it scares the hell outta me.

One of the things I learned in this Public Administration program is.....write letters.  I know I know.  No one reads them right?

Here's the thing.  If I write a letter to the Board, it becomes a part of the official record of the district, the entire thing.  If I go and READ the letter out loud, it also becomes part of the minutes, there FOREVER.

Which means, all it takes is a couple people on the board who don't like the VP, or who have heard of his issues before, and then suddenly its a big deal.

At worst, it stays in the record so when another parent comes along and complains about his bad jugement hurting their kids.....wa-la, there is already a paper trail established which gives the board of educ. AND THE PARENT, legal recourse.

About the only time a school administrator will be fired is when keeping them is too expensive....meaning, the lawsuits cost more than his salary/pension/buy off.

on Feb 11, 2010

wa la - did you mean voilà? I am not too sure of some of the colloquialisms.

on Feb 11, 2010

utemia
wa la - did you mean voilà? I am not too sure of some of the colloquialisms.

Yes - it is slang for Voila'.  Often Americans will "englishsize" a french word that is commonly accepted in english.  Like voila' (wa la) and merci beaucoup becomes mercy buttercups.  English may be the most widespread language, but it is not due to it being easy!

on Feb 11, 2010

Yes - it is slang for Voila'. Often Americans will "englishsize" a french word that is commonly accepted in english. Like voila' (wa la) and merci beaucoup becomes mercy buttercups.

Exactly!

wa la - did you mean voilà? I am not too sure of some of the colloquialisms.

Yes, but I Americanized it.

 

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