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Nursing Home Narnia
Published on February 5, 2008 By Tova7 In Health & Medicine

This is a bit of rant.....

 

My uncle had polio when he was a child.  He wore braces and received treatment and grew into adult hood.   He held a very physical job until retirement about 8 years ago.

Once he retired he was diagnosed with RA.  The RA was painful enough he didn’t want to move, so he gained copious amounts of weight until his 5’4” frame reached 300 pounds.  Needless to say, he couldn’t walk.  He was confined to a wheel chair and needed a walker to use the bathroom.

My aunt, his wife, who has terminal lung cancer and is on chemo, was taking care of him.  As long as he could use the toilet by himself they struggled along.  They only called for help once, when he fell and she, two uncles and a cousin couldn’t lift him.  When they tried he screamed in pain so the fire department came, ignored his screams, and lifted him back into the wheel chair.

About 6 months ago he took a staph infection and was bed ridden.  There was no way my aunt who is sick as a dog from chemo can run in and change his diaper every few hours (the staph causes severe diarrhea).  The man can’t even roll over in bed and is very demanding.  He yelled at all hours of the night for my aunt to get up and come to him so she could hand him the tv remote.  Seriously.

The staff infection sent him to the hospital where they discovered his bladder is “dead” and put in a catheter which he will have for the rest of his life.  His kidneys only have 20% function, if they fall lower he will need dialysis every single day.  He has no control of his bowels (gross I know but there is a point to it) and he’s so large a metal lift is the only thing which can get him out of bed.  And finally, the staph he has, he will always have…they can’t get rid of it.

The Dr said there was no way my 140 pound chemo laden dying aunt could care for him.  They sent him to a nursing home and said when he can use the toilet on his own, he can go home.

A week later he was diagnosed with Post-Polio Syndrome.  Long story short, he will most likely not walk again, even on a walker.  Barring a miracle, he will never go back home.

The Dr’s say he can live another 20 years or so just like this.

I should include here that my uncle is smart like a fox and is still mentally clear and sharp.  His mind is willing but his body isn’t able.  His mouth is though, heh, but that’s another story.

Ok.

I began researching nursing homes.  I did my homework first and checked out ombudsmen sites, family complaint sites, and the Medicare site.  They each list nursing homes in a state and how they do on impromptu inspections, scheduled inspections, etc.

My uncle pays @$275 a day for basic care, then diapers, medication, gloves, soap, all that is added on.  So an average month is between $7500-$9000, for the sake of brevity I’ll say $8000 a month.

A side note.  My uncle saved his entire life for retirement.  He is now using all his retirement to pay for this care.  Which is as it should be.  His sister in law is also in the same facility, and she pays NOTHING.  She gets the same care, the same everything, but because she and her husband were careless with their money and never owned anything, her care is free.

Once his retirement is gone, my aunt must sell everything but their home and one vehicle and give 50% of the fair market value to pay his bill.  Once she dies then the house is sold to pay for his care.

This means they can’t leave anything of their substantial assets to their son and grandson.  People gave them all kinds of “ways to get around” this…but once consulting a lawyer these ways were discovered to be all talk.

So while they watch everything they ever worked for disappear, my uncle’s sister in law is receiving the same exact care in the same facility.

As you can imagine they are both lamenting working their lives away.  My aunt says people like her sister in law who never worked and lived off the system, is in the end as well off as people who worked hard their whole lives.

It’s hard to pay $7500-$9000 a month for something you know someone else gets for free, the same real estate so to speak.

So back to the nursing home.

We researched and visited and finally found the best nursing home in the area.

The place is beautiful.  Decorated by professional designers, a grand piano in the foyer of every floor, molding on top of molding, large plasma tv screens throughout, Starbucks coffee and treats FREE on every floor, a day care on the bottom floor, a beauty parlor, a barber shop, on and on.

What decided it for us was the internet research.  Of all the nursing homes with violations (and every single one in the country has them) we found the one which would cause the least harm.  Yes, you read it right.  The least harm.  They ALL seem to cause harm in some degree or another.

I thought maybe it was their area, so I started searching (out of curiosity) across the country.  It’s the same story.

When I visit my uncle and his sister in law, I stay for hours and sometimes the entire day.  Sometimes I come late in the day and stay well into the night.

The crux of the problem imo is nursing homes are for profit.  While that sounds good to the capitalist inside me, when it comes to actual hands on care, it doesn’t seem to be working.

How much would you charge to change a 300 pound man’s shitty diaper at least 5 times a day?  I am using the word shit because I can’t convey the smell, the utter repulsive odor of infected diarrhea that seems to be the norm in so many nursing home inhabitants.  And because shit is exactly what it is when handling a stranger’s defecation.

Back to the question.  How much would you charge JUST for that service?  Not to mention changing bedding, being a water jug gopher, a maid, bathing, cleaning up puke , rubbing lotion into dry skin, etc.  How much?

The average aid makes about $9-$10 an hour.  http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Nurse_Aide%2c_Orderly%2c_or_Attendant/Hourly_Rate

So, the pay is not equivalent to the job.  And when messy jobs pay little money they attract what types of people?

It’s my observation that only two types of people will do this kind of work for this kind of pay.  The first, people who are truly compassionate and dedicated to the elderly.  I have yet to meet one of them, but I am sure they exist.  The second type are people who don’t seem to have any skills, some have not finished high school, they take the aid class and test, then start working.  Not out of any love for the elderly, but because it’s a little more than McDonalds.

Some nursing homes don’t do background checks.  Why?  Expense.

My uncle’s nursing home does background checks and uses that as a selling point for the home.  Yet, the aids are still what my aunt calls “scum bags.”

What does that mean?

Well, let me use the aids from the background checking nursing home.  The home with the least violations within a 50 mile area to my aunt’s home.  The one my uncle now occupies.

I have talked at length with the six aids who take care of my uncle over a 24 hour period.  I stand outside the door sometimes, when they don’t know I am there, and listen to how they speak to my uncle, who is in his “right” mind.

I also watch how they treat the others in their care.  The ones who have dementia, who maybe don’t know what is happening to them all the time.

Without exception, after the aids change a diaper, they throw the dirty thing up on the bedside table/tray while putting on a new diaper.  (They also do this with the jugs they empty the catheter bags into.)  Then when they leave they take it with them.  That is the same table the bed ridden EAT ON.

The aids talk down to every single person they help.  They speak to patients as if they are wayward children.  “Now Mr. D. did you go and shit in your diaper again?  I just changed you 30 minutes ago!  I should let you sit in it!”  (Of course most of the dialog is filled with double negatives, slang, and speech which screams…NOT EDUCATED!)

One man, with prostate cancer, was in pain from sitting too long in a wheel chair.  (Another thing they do is put people in wheel chairs and leave them ALL day.  Usually sitting in the hall, or out by the piano.  Nothing to drink, nothing to do, just sit.)  I was in the room when he buzzed and asked to be moved to the bed.  His answer?  “We’re busy getting everyone to the dining room, you’ll have to wait.”  So he did, but not before he puked up his breakfast from being in so much pain.  Then he sat in it until they came about an hour later.

My uncle’s roommate right now is dying.  He’s 96 and not lucid at all.  He often lays in shit for hours because the aids only check on him once in awhile.  He isn’t able to tell them he needs changed and doesn’t have family there to ensure he is changed.  So he gets no care.  But he still pays for it.

Another example.  My uncle’s SIL, Erma, comes across the hall on a walker every night to see him.  She is lucid, makes it to the bathroom, she just can’t take care of herself.  She came into the room and sat down and started talking to us.  Except it was all gibberish.  She almost fell out of her chair several times.  It was 10pm and I went to look for a nurse because no one was answering the call button.  (But most of the “sitters” (people placed in wheel chairs all day in one spot) were still up and sitting in the foyer.)  Couldn’t find a nurse or aid.  It took about 15 minutes to find the nurse and then she said “I’ll be down that way in awhile with the pill cart, I’ll check her then.”

I insisted she come RIGHT NOW.  I was pretty sure Erma had a stroke.  She came, checked Erma’s vitals and called an ambulance.  Erma did have a stroke and her blood pressure was 225/155.

Some aids steal.  My uncle was given some things for Christmas that are now gone.  He is bedridden and the only people who come into his room besides family are aids.

I could go on and on, but I think you get the picture.  And the sad thing about all this is, this is considered a GOOD nursing home.

So nursing homes are in it to make a profit.  Ok.  The problem is, supply (nursing homes) aren’t meeting demand (old folks needing care).  Add to that the fact a lot of people can’t afford $8000 a month for years, and the gov. gets involved and to some extent mandates pricing.  So the whole supply/demand chain gets jacked up.

I don’t know how to fix it.  But it does need fixing.

I do know with the type of money offered, the “dregs” of society seem to gravitate toward aid positions.

I’ve learned two important lessons with this experience.

1.      Long Term Health Care

a.     Helps defer the cost of a nursing home, and is cheaper if you buy it young.

2.      If you don’t have a family coming all day every day to ensure you are getting the service you pay for, a nursing home is not for you long term.

 

http://www.medicare.gov/NHCompare/Include/DataSection/Questions/SearchCriteria.asp?version=default&browser=IE%7C7%7CWindows+Vista&language=English&defaultstatus=0&pagelist=Home&CookiesEnabledStatus=True

 

http://www.ltcombudsman.org/static_pages/ombudsmen.cfm


Comments (Page 1)
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on Feb 05, 2008

One more point....

The aids at my uncle's nursing home often ask him for gifts.  They say things like, "As much as I do for you, you should give me your car."

Yeah, riiight.

on Feb 05, 2008
Oh my gosh T. I think I'll send what you just wrote to my kids. You know the saying ......"better be nice to your kids cuz they pick your nursing home?"

The only real experience I have with nursing homes is the one we visited in Maine. It would be considered a nice one and from all accounts in the area everyone loved this nursing home. It didn't seem to display the problems you listed at least from what I knew about it. Our church visited there twice a month for various outreach activities for the elderly. We also had at least one person there as a patient just before she died. Her very devoted family spent much time there and was very pleased with the care.

I've already thought that I would do anything to keep my parents out of a nursing home even if I have to live with them to do it. Right now my parents are starting to age and I'll be put to the test. I've got an extra bedroom if they ever need it and hope my kids someday will feel the same.

Thanks for sharing all the research Tova. I'm sure it's going to open quite a few eyes.

on Feb 05, 2008

I've already thought that I would do anything to keep my parents out of a nursing home even if I have to live with them to do it. Right now my parents are starting to age and I'll be put to the test. I've got an extra bedroom if they ever need it and hope my kids someday will feel the same.

I imagine most people feel this way.  What happens if they are bed ridden and can't make it to the bathroom?  Are they small?  Can you move them yourself?  No one, no matter how devoted, can be on duty 24/7.  Can you afford to have someone come in for the night shift?  Because bowels don't just move in the day time ya know?

It's literally like having a newborn in the house again, except it weighs more than you can lift, and is usually ill.

You know the saying ......"better be nice to your kids cuz they pick your nursing home?"

hahaha

Well you have boys just like me.  Better invest in Long Term Health Care right now.  I don't know many DIL's that'd change a MIL's diaper.  My other aunt, the healthy one, bought Long Term Health Care.  Her boys aren't picking anything for her.  She took care of it all herself.

The only real experience I have with nursing homes is the one we visited in Maine. It would be considered a nice one and from all accounts in the area everyone loved this nursing home. It didn't seem to display the problems you listed at least from what I knew about it. Our church visited there twice a month for various outreach activities for the elderly. We also had at least one person there as a patient just before she died. Her very devoted family spent much time there and was very pleased with the care.

See that's just it.  The nursing home of which I speak has the same reputation.  It's not until you go and stay for hours on end, for several days that you see how things really are.

 

on Feb 05, 2008

As long as I have breath to draw, neither of my parents will ever have to worry about having to live in a nursing home.

Can you physically care for them?  Could you say lift your mom into the tub?  It's hard work and usually requires 3 people.

This is a little off topic...but sometimes I think medicine prolongs life too much.

The man in the bed beside my uncle...he was at home and doing decent (getting around on walker) until he stepped on a piece of glass.  It wouldn't heal and he got blood poison from it.  He had to go to the hospital and they put him in the nursing home.  His daughter is older, probably in her late 70's and unable to lift and care for him.  She barely gets around herself.

Day before yesterday the Doc came in and said, "We need to take his foot off."

She said, "What the hell for?"

Doc..."It'll save his life."

Daughter..."His life?  He's 96 years old.  You want to save his life for what a couple months?  All so he can lay here in his own shit?  No.  My answer is no."

I was shocked to hear her say it so bluntly, but I thought about it and she's right.  She isn't killing him, she's letting nature take its course.  Besides, if the man can't heal a little 2 inch wound in his foot, how's he gonna heal the damage of having the whole foot removed?

However, I know a woman in her mid 90's whose kids had a pacemaker put in because they just couldn't bare to let her die.

It's hard.  I am pro life as you know Whip, but dang, when I see these people sitting in their own shit, in pain, and totally out of their mind all because modern medicine can give them life without any quality to it, I wonder why their families fight so hard to keep them alive. 

 

 

on Feb 05, 2008

My Aunt is better off as she is still able to take care of herself (with the help of a day nurse).  The post polio syndrome is about the over used muscles finally just giving up (my Aunt suffers from that too).

I have done volunteer work in a nursing home.  It was not as bad as your uncle's, but it still was a very depressing place.  At least the residents were better cared for there.  That was just one.

on Feb 05, 2008
when I see these people sitting in their own shit, in pain, and totally out of their mind all because modern medicine can give them life without any quality to it, I wonder why their families fight so hard to keep them alive.


It's that human attachment thing. You just don't want to let go...but sometimes it's better if you do. I mean, what's the point of having someone just existing. They're hardly able to know what's going on around them, they can't move, and they're probably in pain. Saying goodbye is sometimes the best choice, no matter how hard that is...I think it harder to force someone to suffer, though.

~Zoo
on Feb 05, 2008

She's alone, incapacitated, and losing her lust for life, and who can blame her? Yet none of her current conditions are 'fatal.' They just make her wish for death.

Many people in my family say they want death before a nursing home.  They don't want to spend the money to be neglected and ignored, and most of all they don't want to lose their dignity.  My uncle, the one in now, said he would kill himself before he went into a nursing home.  I asked him about that the other day.  He said, "If I knew I was going to heaven for sure, I'd do it right now."  hahaha...but then he said the will to survive when you have your "Right mind" is much stronger than you think.

He also said if you aren't nutty when you go into a nursing home, it'll drive ya there.

It's that human attachment thing. You just don't want to let go

Yeah, this is so true.  I hope I'm not ever selfish enough to make someone I love suffer just so I don't have to let them go.

It was not as bad as your uncle's, but it still was a very depressing place. At least the residents were better cared for there. That was just one.

I don't know what you did at one Doc, but they are all bad to some degree.  Grown people shitting themselves, some can't feed themselves, have open sores or diseases.  Not to mention the wonderful germs which live in those places.  It's just gross.

I couldn't physically care for them now, Tova, and I don't delude myself into thinking that I can. However, they've had the foresight and financial skills to provide enough insurance coverage and cash to pay for home care...which I would closely supervise because Simon and I would live there with them when it comes to that.

Smart smart smart.  Maybe I am just slow about these things, but I never really paid attention to funding a possible nursing home in my old age.  Saving for retirement and college, stuff like that seemed wise.  But I watch my aunt write $8000 or more checks every month and I want to vomit.  They have the money, and I think they should pay for his care.  He'd be spending the money in retirement anyway.  But it is eating away everything they worked for.  You can't have any assets except one car and a house.  It totally sucks to see them pay so much while people who never really cared a bit for planning get the exact same care for free.

 

on Feb 05, 2008

There are some funny moments in the nursing home.

There is a college professor in the next room with Alzheimer's.  He rolls his wheel chair into my uncles room and uses the wall as his "chalk board" and teaches class everyday.

The old man in the bed next to my uncle's yells out all night.  He thinks he's playing cards.

He'll say, "I got two aces!"

My uncle will grin and yell back..."I got a full house!"

The old man says, "You CHEATED!"  Then goes back to sleep.  Weird thing is...when he's awake he can't speak at all.

Erma assures me the male orderly comes in every night and has sex with her room mate.  The curtain between the beds is drawn but she hears them over there carrying on.

hahahaha.  Why is that funny?  There isn't a male orderly working nights!

on Feb 05, 2008
It doesn't seem to make a great deal of sense. How can these nursing homes expect their staff to be any good if they won't pay them properly. I'm sure if they did, the quality of staff would increase rapidly. Nursing homes and long-term care facilities are big business these days, more's the shame.
on Feb 05, 2008
How can these nursing homes expect their staff to be any good if they won't pay them properly. I'm sure if they did, the quality of staff would increase rapidly.


I agree. The problem is in the profit margin. But this isn't the only service industry that doesn't pay what it deserves. Daycare workers barely make more than minimum wage. Teachers salaries aren't that great either. Not when you compare them to entertainers, like pro-athletes.

It is frustrating.

I do think once the bulk of the boomers get into the nursing facilities, things will have to change. More people will be exposed to the environment and want to change it.
on Feb 05, 2008
But this isn't the only service industry that doesn't pay what it deserves. Daycare workers barely make more than minimum wage. Teachers salaries aren't that great either. Not when you compare them to entertainers, like pro-athletes.


I can play with a ball for a few hours...I make millions!

I teach the future generation of the world...I can barely afford to drive to work.

Someone needs to get our priorities straight in this country.

~Zoo
on Feb 05, 2008
Someone needs to get our priorities straight in this country.


who's going to the ball games and paying the price of the tickets?

Supply and demand.

We don't want to pay more taxes but we sure will go to the next ball game and the next and the next.
on Feb 05, 2008
We don't want to pay more taxes but we sure will go to the next ball game and the next and the next.


My point exactly. Idiots, the lot of them.

I'm not saying going to a game is a bad thing, but there's no reason to pay out of your ass to watch people play with a ball instead of you know, contributing that money to taxes to help out our teachers. Eh, but maybe I'm just a dreamer.

~Zoo
on Feb 06, 2008
I'm sorry about your uncle Tonya, really sorry. I knew of what goes on in these places because of others experiences with them and friends who work in them, the caring ones who left because they couldn't stomach the inability or non-caring ways of the people who own these places. They don't pay the staff enough. They are always under staffed and they dont' take good care of the patients. I also have a relative who is in this business, and it is a business that makes money, I've never been to his own place, but I sincerely hope that his patients don't receive the same type of neglect, although his place is small, but I have no idea since it's in another county.


It saddens me to read things like this. This should never be and it makes me angry. I remember what it was like when my mom was with me. Taking care of her and working full time and taking care of a family was hard. But I would never put her in a place like that. It was bad enough that I had to be on my toes when she was at the hospital because the nurses/aides neglected her in there. So I guess it doesn't seem to matter where the ederly or people who are incapable of taking care of themselves are? It's sad that in our society these types of things are happening.

It's sad that many of these aides are only in it for a "job" and don't treat their patients with care and respect. Life sucks! They all should be held accountable!
on Feb 06, 2008

I don't know what you did at one Doc, but they are all bad to some degree. Grown people shitting themselves, some can't feed themselves, have open sores or diseases. Not to mention the wonderful germs which live in those places. It's just gross.

We were there to take care of the resident's "minor" needs.  Some, it was just to engage them in conversation, some to help feed them.  As volunteers, we did not have to change diapers or clean them.  The smell was what got you, and yes, all you say was evident.  The only reason I say (and this is just a personal observation) that it was better is that the staff seemed to be attentive to the needs of the residents.  They still shit themselves  (and peed), but the staff did not let them linger in it, or ignore their pleas if they were in distress (for those who were still lucid).  It was not a place to "live".  As you indicate, it was a holding place for people awaiting death.

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