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Published on May 4, 2006 By Tova7 In Religion

Sparked by comments on Bakers Blog.  Link

 

I can only speak for myself and my faith so this is the only disclaimer I’m making.

 

There seems to be some scoffing among unbelievers as to “how” a Christian should act, talk, what opinions we should hold, and our general demeanor.

 

I find it highly comical the very people who reject Christ as Lord, consider themselves authorities on how Christians should behave.  That is armchair quarterbacking taken to new heights.

 

Do I believe Jesus Christ is God?  Was born of a virgin?  Led a sinless life?  Was hung on the cross at Calvary in payment for my sins?  Died, and rose again?  Then ascended to heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father?  YES.  And I really don’t care to debate it because that’s not what the article is about.

 

Once coming to Christ, no matter how old you are, or what you “think” you already know about the faith, or how many times you’ve read the Bible, you are a baby, an amateur, a fresh faced kindergartener.

 

Liken it to football.  Say I read the play book exactly fifty times but never played the game.  I can tell anyone who will listen how the game should be played.  I can scoff at amateurs decisions while watching safely from the stands because even “never having played the game I know that much.”

 

Now imagine you are looking at that play book again.  Only this time you have the wisdom of every great football coach in history whispering in your ear.  They don’t just know the plays of the game, they know every piece of turf and how it’s mowed across the country.  They know the weather, the fans, the best made pig skins and why one is better than another at different temperatures.  They know the names of the guys who chalk the fields.  They know every player that was or will ever be.  In short, they know everything.

 

In the case of the Christian, this is the Holy Spirit.

 

And all this information is at our disposal.  The only thing is, you are deaf in one ear (sin) and the vacuum cleaner (life) is always yammering in your other one.

 

As I began my journey with Christ I likened it to getting new glasses.  Things I considered “normal” my whole life were suddenly obviously wrong.  And everyday I spent in the Word, asking God to help me understand His will, I saw more and more of these things.  I didn’t want to see them and each time I did, it was a hot knife to the soft butter of my soul.  And the inevitable question “How could I do that?”

 

For example, one of the things that just went away and I didn’t even notice was cussing.  One day I was talking with my girl friend on the phone and she said, “Wow T.  We’ve talked for an hour and I haven’t heard you cuss one time.”

 

I was as shocked as she.  It wasn’t something I read in scripture and then said, “Oh heck.  I should try not to do it anymore.”  Nope.  I didn’t even know I had a problem with it, and certainly hadn’t studied it yet.  God just took it from me.  Meaning I flat out didn’t do it anymore.  It was just gone.

 

I was thankful but in all honesty I was more interested in why God would take my cussing and leave my anger.

 

I journeyed over the next five months with Him.  That means I read some scripture everyday, tried to start my day with it.  Then spent time in prayer, and listening.  Then as I went about my day, I tried to apply and bring to mind what I learned that morning.  I carried a continual conversation with God in my head and sometimes out loud.

 

Sometimes I journeyed successfully, more times not.  I was fine with thinking about the plays, but once in the heat of the game, I'd either forget or decide at the last minute my way was better.  It was at least more comfortable.

 

While an unbeliever can quote the play book, they don’t get the guidance of the coach.

 

Why is this important?  Because the coach saw I needed to work on my “off field” game before I could ever tackle the on field plays.  While an unbeliever could point out all my on field error, they didn’t know the coaches priorities.  I continued in most of my on field shenanigans while we worked together in private on something bigger.

 

I did need to get rid of my anger.  But it was so big and so deep I didn’t know where to begin.  The coach showed me.  Basically He started me with baby steps.  Like, why do you think everything should go your way?

 

I won’t take you down the list of things brought to my attention.  Some of them He showed me and then removed as soon as I recognized it for what it was.  Some of them He allowed me to work on, struggle with, and finally have a victory.  And some He let me lose and continue to struggle with even now.

 

One thing about God in my experience, He doesn’t ever waste pain.  Whether I bring it on myself, or someone else offers it up for me to eat, He has something there for me.  It is always there, even if I don’t hear it because I’m focused on the vacuum, or the pain, and not His voice.  It’s there if I choose to listen.

 

After five months I awoke one morning and my anger was gone.  I don’t mean it faded.  I mean an anger that was so hot it burned people daily, was no more.  I literally felt years younger and pounds lighter.

 

So what does this have to do with how unbelievers think Christians should act?

 

It’s simple really.  Believing something does not necessarily mean perfect obedience. 

 

I may think the speed limit a very wise thing or else anarchy may result on the highway and potentially loss of life.  Does that mean I obey it every time I drive?  Does it mean I will never speed again in my life?  I can certainly try, and the coach is always nearby to remind me when my foot gets heavy…but sometimes I have the radio up, or my mind is somewhere else and I speed.  And sometimes I do it because ~gasp~ I want too.

 

Every Christian is at a different place in their walk.  Some just are looking at the play book for the very first time with the coach whispering in their ears.  Some have the play book open but are sleeping.  Some have it memorized but can’t seem to make any of the plays work.  Some are listening off and on.  When the game starts to go bad, they listen.  When it’s good, they tune out the wisdom.

 

I’m not making excuses.  When I fail to listen for whatever reason, it is mine.  The fumble, the lost game, it’s totally my fault.  When I am disobedient to what I know is the truth, again, it is mine.  And what’s worse, I have to know the world is calling the wisdom of the coach into question because of my behavior.

 

But when unbelievers bunch all Christians together like we are born again into the same mature, well read, perfect adult Jesus…well that’s scary.  While my anger was a priority to God, someone else may need to work on adultery, greed, whatever.  That usually means everything else takes a back seat until that stone is removed from the path.

 

And honestly I think there is a cut off point which unbelievers and believers can discuss the play book.  If the coach is whispering in your ear to punt when all today’s knowledge says it’s a definite runner, there will be no more discussion.  It can’t be explained fully by one side, or understood by the other.

 

Each Christian is unique in our walk, in our gifts, in our growth.  God fashioned each of us different so we can serve in every imaginable way.  Couple that with WHERE each person is on the journey and you can see how various reactions, actions, comments come into play.

 

I am learning as I go.  I have not mastered the course.  Sometimes I change direction after running headlong down the wrong path.

 

I am not perfect.

 

(And if you think I’m bad now, you should have seen my plays before I started reading the book and seeking the coach's counsel!)


Comments
on May 04, 2006
My from plate holder says, I am not religious! I just love the lord and my back plate holder {compliments of my ex wife} says "christians are not perfect! Just forgiven"
on May 04, 2006

First let me say that WOW!  This is fantastic and excellent!  The football analogy can even translate to soccer (the rest of the world's football).  It is OUTSTANDING.  And you get an insightful.

If I may:

Do I believe Jesus Christ is God? Was born of a virgin? Led a sinless life? Was hung on the cross at Calvary in payment for my sins? Died, and rose again? Then ascended to heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father? YES.

I agree mostly, but I dont think he was sinless.  For he did disobey his parents.  He was human, as well as the son of God.  But being human, means he did make mistakes.  At twelve, he disobeyed his parents.  i think they included that in the Gospels to prove his humanity (but otherwise he was a perfect son).

on May 04, 2006
Tova, this was amazing. A lot of Christians find it hard to put their spiritual experiences into words that the normal joe will understand. You're definitely an instrument in God's hands. Keep it up.

Heck, I'm just going to have to print out your article and hang it on my wall...so many fantastic insights.

The thing about getting a new pair of glasses...I know exactly what you mean. Funny how applicable that is to my life both literally and figuratively.

Although I should wear prescription glasses, I choose not to because I don't like readjusting from clear to blurry when I take them off. Somehow I'd rather see things naturally blurry than keep switching back and forth.

Same thing about following the guidelines of religion...I persist at being my old mangy self although I know and have tried a better way. It hurts so much to adjust between secular and religious worlds. They really are two different worlds and to try to live and thrive in them both HURTS...HURTS...HURTS.

What I need is Lasik Surgery...both temporally and spiritually!!

Loved the article.
on May 04, 2006
Great article, Tova! The analogy was particularly relevant . . . I wish I could've had that when I was serving as a missionary . . .
That would've made explaining things a bit better for some people.

Oh well, I've got it to use with any unbelieving friends I have now!

You get another insightful.
on May 04, 2006
"christians are not perfect! Just forgiven"


HAHAHAHA I LOVE that MM. Your ex seems pretty smart....of course how smart could she be? She gave you up and the plate!
on May 04, 2006
This is fantastic and excellent!


Thanks Doc.

agree mostly, but I dont think he was sinless.


I know you don't, but I do. Because He had to be the lamb (perfect passover lamb without blemish) to take away the sins of the world. I don't think he was disobeying his Father when he went to temple.
on May 04, 2006
Heck, I'm just going to have to print out your article and hang it on my wall...so many fantastic insights.


Wow, thank Angela. I appreciate that more than I can say.

I know what you are talking about....it is true...the parable about the seeds....life does have a way of choking the life out of growth....(weeds choking the seedlings).
on May 04, 2006
Great article, Tova! The analogy was particularly relevant . . . I wish I could've had that when I was serving as a missionary . . .
That would've made explaining things a bit better for some people.

Oh well, I've got it to use with any unbelieving friends I have now!


Thank you. HAHAHAHA. I have to laugh because it was a spur of the moment article. I didn't plan it I just pretended Chak was in the room with me and figured even if he doesn't like football, he probably understands the game.

It's not a perfect analogy, but I hope reading it, someone can get my "drift." And I don't mean SNOW!
on May 04, 2006

know you don't, but I do. Because He had to be the lamb (perfect passover lamb without blemish) to take away the sins of the world. I don't think he was disobeying his Father when he went to temple

Point taken!  And one we can agree to disagree on.  For that is what being a Christian is all about.

on May 04, 2006
I read this carefully and with interest and it is a moving and personal explanation of where you are coming from. I think in making my original point I should have been a little less 'personal'. Of course you are right to say that followers of any faith should not be expected right from the very beginning of their spiritual journey to be the 'finished article'. It could even be argued that if a person has a spiritual view of life that they can easily live up to, they aren't being ambitious enough.

You are wrong however to see 'scoffing' at the way you "act, talk, what opinions we should hold, and our general demeanor". My point, perhaps too harshly and personally made, is that the kind of anger that says "I don't think he should get the opportunity to 'come to Jesus'" just seems to be a disavowal of the central Christian message, and who else but to Christians can 'unbelievers' turn to get an idea of what that message is. 'Unbelievers' expecting 'believers' to be perfect and 'scoffing' when they are not, is unrealistic, cynical and more than a bit dishonest. However, 'unbelievers' expecting 'believers' to be consistent about their message is perfectly reasonable.

I find it highly comical the very people who reject Christ as Lord, consider themselves authorities on how Christians should behave. That is armchair quarterbacking taken to new heights.

It's not comical at all. You make huge spirituals claims of apparently such cosmic importance, that those of us who don't accept them will apparently burn in a pit of fire and brimstone for eternity. Given such huge claims, I think we have at least an entitlement to question, investigate - whatever, you want to call it - those claims, and part of that investigation will involve observing when Christians seem not to follow the message they proclaim. You talk about 'the very people who reject Christ as Lord', but according to your faith, no-one has actually done that until their final breath - including me and the guy in the orange jump suit who started this discussion. In reality there are those who accept your faith, and those who don't, and the latter group contains everybody from the spiritually questioning to the actively hostile, but doesn't your faith say that they all "have an opportunity to 'come to Jesus'"?
on May 04, 2006
Hi Tova

Great piece. I'm not only glad you're back in the game but also that I'm on your side....hut, hut, hut....

Chak,

I'm praying for you....it's only a matter of time.......
on May 04, 2006
the kind of anger that says "I don't think he should get the opportunity to 'come to Jesus'" just seems to be a disavowal of the central Christian message,


This does seem true on the surface. But I believe Jesus when He says believers are His sheep and no one will snatch even one from his hand. Whether a person knows they are a believer (or not YET), Jesus knew who would accept and reject Him before they were even born.

I also believe He holds the keys to life and death. So He isn't going to allow ANY of his sheep to perish before their time. I don't have a problem seeing someone pay with their lives for crimes they've committed because if they truly do belong to Jesus, He knows their time of death and can be trusted to take care of business.

who else but to Christians can 'unbelievers' turn to get an idea of what that message is.


To God, to HIS message. He is the one who has something to say to you personally. If you keep looking at me, or the next Christian, you will never get to God because you will never be able to get past our faults. However, we are called to be witnesses for Christ. Honestly, we are to live in such a way that people "want" what we have, the wisdom of the coach. Some do it better than others. But all fall short of perfection.

However, 'unbelievers' expecting 'believers' to be consistent about their message is perfectly reasonable.


I agree. But you have to remember, we aren't perfect. Don't think I use that as a cop out. There will be an accounting...I am accountable to God...and He says it is better to have a mill stone (one of those monster ones) tied around my neck and thrown into the sea, than to discourage or hurt a baby Christian.

The only thing I am called to do for an unbeliever is be Jesus' hands, his feet, his voice and let people know about Him. Do I always do it? Nope. Sometimes I put my own self interest above those of God.

The rest of the work is on the Holy Spirit.

I'm sure you've heard the saying, "I am just a beggar who found the free bread. I want to share it with you."

Meaning of course, Jesus is the bread. If you keep your eyes on me and what a pig I am while eating, or how dirty my fingernails are, or my funny haircut...you'll never eat! And no one would do that if they are hungry. They go to the loaf for nourishment, not the dirty beggar who showed them the way. SO I guess until someone is hungry enough to look past the imperfect church to the perfect God, they will not eat and be satisfied.

But you are right in expecting a certain amount of personal evidence in a believer's life. It's called fruit. And no matter how small, it should be there in some degree.

I think we have at least an entitlement to question, investigate - whatever, you want to call it - those claims, and part of that investigation will involve observing when Christians seem not to follow the message they proclaim.


Yes you are right! But don't confuse belief and God's goodness with my faults and disobedience. Christianity is about a relationship with God. It's two sided, and when one side (me) gets all snotty and angry it isn't HIS fault, or does it mean His ways are faulty.

You talk about 'the very people who reject Christ as Lord', but according to your faith, no-one has actually done that until their final breath - including me and the guy in the orange jump suit who started this discussion.


I don't believe one person will pass from this earth before accepting Christ that isn't supposed too. Setting a time line for death row inmates isn't thwarting God. You can't thwart omniscience. While I believe there is "hope" for that person as long as they have access to God, I do believe there are those who will never accept Him. I can't second guess, or delay justice trying too.

doesn't your faith say that they all "have an opportunity to 'come to Jesus'"?


Yes but it also says some will not.

I think in making my original point I should have been a little less 'personal'


Nah. You're ok. It wouldn't sting if there wasn't a wound.

I am in a difficult place relationship wise with Jesus right now. I won't bore you with the details, and its not earth shattering, but I can tell its gone too long because I have lost my glasses. Is my salvation at stake? No. Thank God. ha.

But there comes a time in every relationship when it needs to be redefined...and with God so far for me, I am the one who needs the redefining. So perhaps I read too much into what you wrote.

At the end of it all Chak...you can call me on any inconsistency you see...and um, I will admit you are gonna see a few the longer I stay. Most of them I am aware of, and am working on in some degree. But sometimes I won't be aware and it will enlighten me...or at least make me think about it.

I've said it before, but it's worth repeating, you are a smart guy. The fact you even have these conversations and questions makes me believe your wisdom will only grow.

Now that you are totally confused....can I mix anything else for ya?
on May 04, 2006
reat piece. I'm not only glad you're back in the game but also that I'm on your side


Thanks KFC. I know its a little corny, but I often see life in little analogies like this. It's getting other people to see it that is the crux...
on May 05, 2006
Good Artice. Insightful.

"Given such huge claims, I think we have at least an entitlement to question, investigate - whatever, you want to call it - those claims, and part of that investigation will involve observing when Christians seem not to follow the message they proclaim."


So long as they are claims that Christianity makes, and not imposed ideals of morality projected on Christianity. In this case you claim the turning the other cheek means accepting the danger not only for one's self, but for other people as well.

That isn't something we are obligated to do, and would in reality be putting our spiritual cleanliness above the wellbeing of others. I think you'd find that to be a fairly unchristian thing to do. I should esteem the salvation of people's souls highly, but to put it above the lives of my, or your, family would be more of a Buddhist ideal, not Christian.

We are not obligated to look at someone who vows to do harm to others and refuse to prevent them because their soul might yet be saved. We also have to consider the lives and souls of all the other people who might be in the airplane with him when it crashes into a building.

I think the anger you point out is probably unchristian, and I would bet that the person who said that they wished he'd burn in hell would admit that they aren't being all that Christian about it. In the end, though, if someone limits their own time on earth such that they also limit their time to come to know Christ, they are the ones who have created the cause for the effect, not us.
on May 05, 2006
So long as they are claims that Christianity makes, and not imposed ideals of morality projected on Christianity. In this case you claim the turning the other cheek means accepting the danger not only for one's self, but for other people as well.


Baker, how do you put such a fine point on things? It boggles my mind.

Here I am muddling around trying to get my point in the sharpener...and you just come out and say very clearly and rationally what often bounces around in my head but won't be still long enough for me to extract.

Thanks.