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Published on November 5, 2005 By Tova7 In Home & Family
My ten year old hates me. I don’t mean in the tantrum throwing way, but in the silent, won’t eat, stay away from me kind of way.

Today I sat down with him to talk about the amount of time he spends playing video games on line and on his four game systems. He is a good kid, gets good grades, does his chores and has an over all good outlook on life. But since he discovered World of Warcraft and some other online games he has changed.

He still gets good grades but he stays alone in his room more. He gets angry when I take away his gaming privileges. I can understand that. In all the world, right now, it is the one thing he loves. But it is not healthy for him to spend so much time alone in his room. He speeds through his homework and chores now to get to the games. Most of the time only doing each half way.

So today I sat down to talk to him about it. I told him I was totally open to compromise but I wanted to start the “bid” so to speak at weekend game play only. Nothing during the week.

He started crying. He said, “I don’t know why I am doing this,” and pointed to the tears on his cheeks.

I said, “I know why you are doing it. You think your losing something you love to do. It’s ok to be disappointed.”

He countered with something off the wall like unlimited play 5 days a week. We ended up at two nights a week for one hour, and unlimited weekend play as long as he understands weekends are when I do most of my errands, and he can’t complain while we are doing them.

He said fine. So we were in agreement.

Then the shit hit the fan.

I said, “Ok, we’ll start this fresh on Monday.” Right now he has 3 hours play time a day on the weekend.

He said, “No I really want to start it now.”

I said, “I know you do, but we aren’t. We’ll start Monday.”

He said, “Why?”

I said, “Because I originally said we’d start on Monday.”

He said, “No you didn’t.” (I told him this THREE times before the bidding war started, he just didn’t want to hear it.)

I said, “Yes I did. Now stop arguing with me.”

He said, “No you didn’t. Tell me why! Why do we have to start on Monday?.”

I said “How about you don’t play the rest of the night for your attitude? I am the parent H and when I say it starts Monday, it starts Monday and I don’t want to argue.”

He said, “You don’t even have a reason!”

I said, “That’s it, no games the rest of tonight.”

Then I explained to him why I needed to cut his time down. He is becoming socially retarded. All he thinks about or talks about is those stupid games. I told him I don’t like him spending so much time alone in his room.

He said, “I go in my room to get away from you guys!”

I said, “Well too bad buddy. Life says you have to be around people you don’t always like, and as a man you can’t run and hide. But its my job to make sure you become a man, not some immature loser who has the age and not the social ability.”

He said, “How can you do that your not a man?” Then he argued that he could do it if he was an adult, run and hide I mean.

He got so disrespectful in his attitude toward me that I said, “OK, for the attitude you have lost your gaming privileges for tomorrow.”

He is crying the entire time we are talking.

So then he tells me “You just do this stuff to make me miserable. You don’t even have a good reason to wait until Monday, you just want to make me miserable.”

I said, “You are nuts if you believe that. You have every game system made and you think we want you miserable? How many other kids your age have all the things you have? Obviously it was our mistake. You’re not ready, you’re not mature enough.” Then I said, “When I bought you that computer….”

He interrupted and sneered, “You didn’t buy it dad did.”

Whack! I slapped his face.

Then I screamed. “Don’t you ever talk to me in that tone of voice again. EVER! You want to see a parent who wants to make her kid miserable?!”

Then I got a container and went into his room and ripped every game system he has out, as well as his computer. I unhooked his dvd player and cable. And I felt sick while doing it especially the xbox he just bought with his b-day money……

I said, “See what your smart mouth has gotten you? Do you have any idea what we’ve gone through the last ten years so I could stay home with you and be a mom? Well its over, the free ride is over. You want to talk to me like you’re an adult fine. Adults don’t play games, or at least you’re not for a very long time, if ever.” BLAH BLAH BLAH

I hauled all of it out of his room and I don’t know if I will ever give it back.

I shouldn’t have slapped him, but he was sneering at me…SNEERING and he is ten in two weeks!

Then to top it off I made dinner and he said he wasn’t going to eat. He went to bed. My husband is gone again so here I sit, stewing because I slapped my precious son’s face. Because under his anger I know he is hurting but would die before he showed it. Mad because I can’t reach that hurt and help heal it.

And he thinks this really is all about me hating him and not wanting him to be happy. He believes it. I’m afraid to go to bed, he might run away or do something stupid.

My God I am ruining my son. I am a horrible mother and should never EVER had kids. But now that they are here I love them so much I can’t bear to see them hurting. I don’t know how to do this alone…..and alone is how I am most of the time. I can’t even reach my husband by phone.

I don’t know what to do but cry and wish my kids had a better mother.

I hate it.

Comments (Page 1)
on Nov 05, 2005
You are not the worst mother. Yes, you lost it for a minute when you slapped him and I'm sure it is making you sick now. I've been there where I've just been pushed to my limit. Sometimes it seems like they know just how to push our buttons and they have nothing else to do but wear us down and wear us out.

Just take a break from each other. Give him some time to cool off and settle down. I always make my boys take a bath when they get overly irate. The water seems to soothe and calm them down at least a little bit.

Give yourself a break. You are NOT the worst mother. The worst mother wouldn't even notice or care that their child is becoming game obsessed. You care enough to want him to spend time with you and have a balanced life.

After your cool off period, I would have a talk with him. I would apologize for slapping him. But also explain that he absolutley cannot be disrespectful to you. You are his mom. You will always be his mom. You are right to expect respect from him no matter how mad or how upset he is with you. I always ask my boys if they would act and talk that way to their teacher. They always say no. I tell them that their teacher is just their teacher for one year and I am their mom for the rest of their life and I deserve as much if not more respect than their teacher.

(((((HUGS))))) from another mom who's been there. It will be okay.
on Nov 05, 2005
After your cool off period, I would have a talk with him. I would apologize for slapping him. But also explain that he absolutely cannot be disrespectful to you. You are his mom. You will always be his mom. You are right to expect respect from him no matter how mad or how upset he is with you. I always ask my boys if they would act and talk that way to their teacher. They always say no. I tell them that their teacher is just their teacher for one year and I am their mom for the rest of their life and I deserve as much if not more respect than their teacher. (((((HUGS))))) from another mom who's been there. It will be okay.


Thank you so much. I will take your advice to the letter tomorrow morning when he wakes up. I will take it because frankly I am fresh out of ideas. He is ten but really thinks like a teen already. We have always been close but in the last 6 months, not so much, since the serious gaming.

Part of the games is we are new here and he doesn't have many friends yet and the ones he does have are....gamers...go figure.

I just went in and pulled the covers over him and turned out his light. I stood there in the darkness with a little light coming in the window and looked at him. Heh, he's almost as big as I am now. Just a few more inches and he'll pass me. He still has a spattering of freckles across his nose. His cheeks are still chubby and its hard to believe as innocent as he seems sleeping, he could speak with such disrespect toward me.

But I can honestly say I have always struggled with motherhood. It has never come natural to me. It is so freakin hard even when it should be easy.

Thanks again.
on Nov 05, 2005

Yes you hate it!  Dont ever stop!  That is why it is called tough love and you did everything right.

FOr me, you did one thing wrong.  You tried to reason with him. 10 is not an age of reason.  We get mad and we say things we should not.,  But at 10 we really are clueless. 

That was my 10 year old speaking.

best to lay down the law and walk away.  The anger will still be there, but yours will not be.  I can stil remember being on both sides.

They do get over it.

As for your reasoning, it is very correct.  That stuff belongs in the family room.  Where all can play and enjoy company.

on Nov 05, 2005
Being a good mom is the hardest job I've ever had. I have a friend who is a lawyer and she told me law school was cake compared to being a mom.

They are all sweet when they are sleeping. Too bad they dont' come with an on/off switch. Believe me I don't have it all figured out but I try really hard. It's hard too if your husband works a lot of hours or travels. You feel like it's all on you.

A book I would recommend is How to behave so your children will too by Sal Severe. I thought it was extremely helpful.
on Nov 05, 2005
For me, you did one thing wrong. You tried to reason with him. 10 is not an age of reason. We get mad and we say things we should not., But at 10 we really are clueless.


You are one of several people who have said this to me.

I always try to reason and show him how I make decisions for two reasons. First, so he can know how freakin HARD it is. Second, because when I was a kid no one ever bothered explaining anything to me. I grew up half retarded about some of the most basic things.

There is no way we can have that crap in the family room. I have a two year old and it just isn't feasible.

Do you think it will be a cop out of I let my husband come home and decide when to give it back? Let him deal with that?

From now on I am laying down the law and walking away. Of course he will follow me, he is like that.....I can say to him, "Leave and go to your room. I am getting angry so don't say another word."

And he'll just KEEP ON like I never said anything.

Grrrr.

He is spoiled, obviously. I just never saw it before in such glaring relief.

Do you think he'll be scarred for life becuase of the slap?

I've never slapped him before....and now he flinches when I come too close.....like I've done it all his life.
on Nov 05, 2005
A book I would recommend is How to behave so your children will too by Sal Severe. I thought it was extremely helpful.


I'll check it out but I have to tell you...I have so many books on parenthood I could open a library.

I did the only thing a sane person with NO EXPERIENCE and no natural talent can do.....bought books and plenty of them.

I still suck at it. And I am not saying that so people will say "no you don't." I am saying that because I know it as fact. My son told me when he was about 5 I needed parenting classes. And you should see the look on my husband's face sometimes when I yell at the kids for something.

I just want to remind him that I am pretty much doing this alone since he is gone almost all the time. Last month he was home a whole 6 days.....

on Nov 05, 2005
I am not a parent so I can only speak of my experiences as a child.

I am an only child.

I too was fascinated by computer games, particularly Super Mario, other NES and Game Boy games, and later Super Nintendo games as well as Doom on the PC.

My parents simply let me play.

That was it. I was in my own room, I had a TV (black and white, I never even wanted a colour TV but later bought one when the black and white one broke down), I had a PC, and my parents left me alone to play as much as I wanted.

Except with the Game Boy, because the Game Boy made me get worse grades at school. That was probably because it was too easy to play a quick game. But the stationary game devices in my room were never a problem.

We had rules in our house, but apart from the ones about picking up my room, the rules never applied to my own room.

I am now, ten years later, still friends with most of my fellow gamers from then.

And even though I live in another country, I still call my mother a few times every week.

I believe this "policy" has harmed neither my social life nor my relationship with my parents.

Something to think about from a very liberal household, perhaps?
on Nov 05, 2005
You seem like a no-BS kind of person, so I'm just going to be honest here.

The mistake you made, as I see it, (and you have parenting rank on me as my oldest is only about 8 and a half, so keep that in mind), is allowing him to bargain with you on the rules once the behavior had already become a problem

I'm all for giving kids choices and allowing them to have a stake in their discipline. I think providing reasoning for the rules and discipline is good.

However, you two already had an agreement on the gaming and he broke his end of the deal. By doing so, he forfeited his ability to bargain. He needs to understand that YOU are his authority (especially since his dad is gone so often) and in life we have authority figures that sometimes set rules that we don't understand or agree with, but we have to abide by them anyway.

When you allowed him to bargain with you after he had already shown that he could not be responsible with his privileges, you put him on your level. You allowed him to be a co-parent and he used that opportunity to walk all over you.

You CANNOT bend on the new rules you've set. It will be difficult, but you have to show him that you mean what you say. In the future if he wants to help you make decisions like this, it needs to happen before there is a problem, and he needs to know exactly what his punishment will be and that the punishment is a guarantee.

As far as freaking out on him goes, it was an accident, and since you feel bad about it, you'll be vigilant so that it doesn't happen again. You didn't harm him with the slap, you just shocked him. Don't sweat it.

Definitely DON'T start leaning on dad for the discipline. When you do that, you send the message that you are powerless and the kids will take advantage of their time alone with you to run wild and make you miserable and pay for it later. It also makes life sucky for dad because he's gotta come home from his stressful time away and be the bad guy to the kids.

Just my thoughts.
on Nov 05, 2005
Thanks Leauki...

These games are interfering with him though. I can see it. For example, he had a family b-day party last weekend. This is the first time in his ten years we have ever been close enough to family for them to come to his birthday. And they came from all over. One of the family members is terminally ill and though not sick yet, is being told she will be dead by spring (we'll see). But he couldn't even be bothered enough to come out and speak to any of them. That is just rude and not like him until he became engrossed in these games.

He is also not an only child and I expect him to get and give a certain amount of interaction time to the family.

I do value your opinion because generally I like what you have to say and HOW you say it, even when I don't agree.

I would LOVE to just let him play...he likes it so well, I love to see him happy. But in the long run, for him, I can see it as nothing but a bad thing. He has gotten chubby in the last 6 months from sitting in his room playing games. He didn't really play outside much all summer!! That's crazy!

The fact he gets so spiteful when unable to play as long as he thinks he has the RIGHT to play is a big factor in my decision.

Thanks for the input.

on Nov 05, 2005
However, you two already had an agreement on the gaming and he broke his end of the deal. By doing so, he forfeited his ability to bargain. He needs to understand that YOU are his authority (especially since his dad is gone so often) and in life we have authority figures that sometimes set rules that we don't understand or agree with, but we have to abide by them anyway.


That is so clear and concise and you are absolutely right.

You allowed him to be a co-parent and he used that opportunity to walk all over you.


Ouch, but right again.


Definitely DON'T start leaning on dad for the discipline. When you do that, you send the message that you are powerless and the kids will take advantage of their time alone with you to run wild and make you miserable and pay for it later. It also makes life sucky for dad because he's gotta come home from his stressful time away and be the bad guy to the kids.


This is ironic because in our family I have always been the "enforcer." Mostly because I am the one here all the time. But usually I don't mess around and consequences are clicked off with no sweat.

I guess I hesitated....he loves this junk so much, I HATED to take it from him, so I thought if he could be part of the process of reducing his time then he would feel better about it.

Wrong.

He just (like you said) felt like I was saying he had as much say as I do, and I never meant for that to happen.

I wish I could say this is the first time he has talked to me like HE's an adult, but its not. He is really full of himself and thinks all adults should explain themselves to him when they say something he doesn't like. He's been grounded for this before, but it was never to this degree.

You give GREAT advice as usual Tex.

I can't tell you how much it means to me that you guys responded to this. I don't have anyone to call because my family is well, we just don't talk about stuff like this. They all think I should beat him regular for his "high falutin" thinking.

Then I can't reach my husband on top of it. I was at a total loss.

Thanks a bunch!
on Nov 05, 2005
Your are not a bad mother. You are just one who cares and loves her child. But I would see what the game online he is playing is all about and why it has such a hold on him. When my son was young he loved to play Doom (the first one). I really didn't like it. So the rule was that he could play it but the first time there was any signs of change in his actions. He could no longer play it. I know that Doom is mild compared to some of the games out there now. Good Luck! Raising children is never easy for anyone. But as long as you love them and do the best you can they will turn out just fine. Mine did and Lord know I made planty of mistakes. Right Texas Wahine.
on Nov 05, 2005
Online games like WoW are *far* too time-intensive for anyone that age. It is hard enough for adults to manage their MMORPG habits and there is no way that a 9, 10, or even a 16 year old has anything like the time management and obsession control mechanisms to deal with the treadmill system of rewards that such games offer. Hard as it may be you probably should let him play WoW at all. Be the parent and not the friend. The reason he was crying and didn't know why was *withdrawal*. These games are too addictive for kids.
on Nov 06, 2005
I wrote a follow-up regarding your issue here.
on Nov 06, 2005
We just went through a real similar situation with video games and our two older sons. Not the on-line ones but your average everyday ones. I guess that was the problem, they were everyday. My sons were also getting to the point where they didn't want to do anything else and if they did it was half-way as well.

We ended up taking all the games away and my middle son was crying the silent tears, genuinely hurt. My older one was very disrespectful, mad as hell and crying too. It was very difficult not to give in after awhile but in the long run it has been good. They are not quite as obsessed with the games (which they get sparingly, and sometimes they pick something else) when they do play.

I'm sorry for your pain, but you are not alone in this particular battle. I don't know if that helps, I know it always helps me to know when I am not the only one going through a particular problem.
Sometimes it just sucks being a mom.
You seem to be very aware of his feelings and that will lead you to do the best thing for you and your family. Trust your gut.
on Nov 06, 2005
Seriously, don't even let a kid play games for more than two hours straight. I know that could be a pain in a guild situation, but I know from paying attention to my own mental state and that of my daughter and people I know, things seem to get weird after that much time.

Maybe it is focusing on anything for that long. I get spiteful, easily upset, little things in the game that I would have laughed off in the beginning I would rant about. The hateful mood is your body's way of telling you subliminally that things aren't what they ought to be.

It's your kid and your life, but I will never let my daughter play for more than two hours. I don't think the number of days a week is nearly as important as how long at a stretch, even if you let them go back later again in the day.

Keep an eye out, watch your son's moods. I'll be willing to bet that you can see a notable difference after an hour or two.